Thursday, March 23, 2006
Lost In Space
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The other day I saw an amusing parody of the Bush bumper-sticker, the one with the US flag with the 'W' super-imposed on it...except this one had WTF?. This mirrored my sentiments exactly. But considering recent events surrounding our vaunted space agency, I think we need a NASA-WTF? sticker, too!
First we're told that there will be no budget cuts. Elachi goes to a meeting of Bohemia Grove, then we're told there will be budget cuts. President Bush tells us that there needs to be more emphasis on math and science education...then we are told that NASA will be cutting many of the good science projects that are already underway, many in the science departments of universities nationwide. WTF?
The lack of accountability over time has caused NASA to be the ghost it is. My ideas, thoughts, and 2001: Space Odyssey-inspired dreams were that we would be on the moon doing stuff now. It has been nearly 40 years since we first landed (if you believe we did). We should have permanent facilities on the Moon today! WTF?
Instead, we are dumping an estimated hundreds of billions of dollars for a floating tube-steak (i.e., the ISS)...a piece of junk that is floating around in a useless orbit (chosen because of politics), that cannot be used as a jump-base, that is not even 50% completed and more than $26 BILLION over budget and almost 7 years behind schedule. The thing is falling apart; mechanical failures plague the U.S and Soviet space janitors daily. If built using Legos, it might have held together better. WTF?
(memo to self: Invent new Space Legos!)
When will the space shuttle launch next? It was supposed to be May, but new discoveries of falling tiles could indefinitely delay that. How can we ever finish our international obligations to the ISS if we cannot even get off the ground? Will this decrepit tin can ever be completed or will it be scuttled and allowed to crash-land into the ocean? WTF?
NASA must cut it's losses. The combined costs of maintaining the remaining shuttle fleet, designing & developing the next CEV, and finishing the ISS has NASA's finances at the breaking-point. Plus, we still need to maintain existing unmanned and science projects. NASA already nixed all future unmanned and science projects that are either behind schedule, over budget, or not yet on the books. This kills an estimated 40% unmanned & science workload. How can universities support their astrobiology and space research projects when NASA zips closed the purse? WTF?
And all this big hype about MRO aero-braking around Mars. This is routine stuff. Yet in a time of budget cuts, VIPs and families were invited to see 'da show' and partake of a fancy spread. This was a joke. My take? Here's the modus operandi of NASA:
"Let's make the public think that THIS is the focus of all our attention and work; by make the public think that work is vital and dangerous and valuable to the American economy and spirit of exploration...indeed, our future. Continue to Captialize on the mystique of the Space Program using and reusing images and stereotypes of past successes AND tragedies, like has been being done for 35 years, to continue to evoke emotions of pride and resolve and highlight the ability of The Program to inspire young minds. While the public eye absorbs, enjoys and develops a Pavlovian 'comfort level' whenever presented with "NASA' or "Space", a covertly overt establishment will be diligently acheiving the goals of securing the realm of space to ensure American commercial and military preeminence."
If there is to be a "new NASA", I expect to see it come from DoD. DoD's role has been growing in the recent years. More stuff is influenced by DoD than NASA
itself. DoD definitely has the technology and can do it right. Plus, with a tremendous budget, they could be the next 'space program'. This is evidenced by the new rebadging regulations being put in place at all NASA facilities: RFID embedded id/access cards, retina scans, and finger-printing.
The draw-back I can see is that DoD is owned by the Military/Industrial Complex. As such, these guys masturbate about war all the time. The PNAC-promise of Pax Americana requires dominance in Space (and Cyberspace, too!) So, what kind of space program will we end up with? A space program that can spy on every square inch (real or virtual) of earth and wage war without asking the permission of another country to use their airspace? A space program that can kick alien ass or asteroid butt? WTF?
(hmmmm...memo to self: Invent new 'Assteroid', "Hemmorrhoid Creme of the Stars")
So, are my Star Trek and 2001: Space Odyssey inspired dreams of the future....Lost in Space? If so....WTF?
posted by Anonymous at 3/23/2006 03:33:00 PM
318 Comments:
For some reason I was not able to post earlier in the day...I can only assume that others had the same issue.
re: Charlie Sheen & 9/11 Disclosure.
I am not so sure the Mr. Sheen was the right vehicle for transporting this vital info to the masses. The right-wing radio assholes are ripping Charlie to shreds...with with and with gusto. The 'message' is being laughed away as a drug-induced fantasy from them thar Hollywood types.
I like Sheen's works, but this shows (as I've berated in the past) how important the messenger really is.
above should read 'with ease and with gusto."
from:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm
So, how does a lowly “comic artist” in the 1950’s become privy to the Greatest Secret in the History of Man … before it could be known?!
One reasonable possibility is that Jack Kirby somehow saw the same View Master reels from “Tom Corbett: Space Cadet” that we were loaned -- only much, much earlier. However, this cannot be the answer ... because the Corbett reels – while containing much extraordinary information relating to Cydonia we have verfied five decades later – did NOT contain a single mention of “a giant face on Mars!”
So -- if he didn’t get his information from “Tom Corbett,” regarding “ruins of an ancient, war-torn civilization on the planet Mars … presided over by a giant head …” -- how did Jack Kirby know about “the Face!?
The answers’ obvious: he was simply told.
By “who” is the key question, isn’t it? As well as “why” ….
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BIG MYSTERY!
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Answer is that Kirby got idea for face from same place all comic writers get ideas - they extract it from anal orifice.
hihihihihi
Richie does comic book science !
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Picture of Corbett and Dale in Martian ruins.....Little flip at back of Dale's skirt...OH BABY!
Not nice thing to do to poor horny monkey!
good post, sk.
WTF?
SunKing
Bravo on a well-written and concise article that seems to tie things together. This is part of the specimen under the microscope.
It seems NASA is poised to completely flop on general public science. Shifting instead to subordination to Homeland Security and the military complex (DoD).
I have long been suspicious of a back-door private space program. Area 51/DreamLand and SkunkWorks, despite popular belief, are driven by DoD. I have heard it assumed too often by Average Joe American that these places are under the space program. They never have been. I would guess most here already know that.
The accountability topic you mentioned, NASA has failed financial audits for the past 12 years. The reconciliation occurs with the magic phrase: "then something happened ..." suddenly, it all balances.
If I can continue...
The implications of a reduced scientific and unmanned space program negatively affects all associated universities, businesses, companies, contractors, and a certain agency in Pasadena, CA. The unemployment and loss factor will be astounding.
The military role and the space role overlap greatly. We do similar work. It is a symbiotic relationship. Each feeds on the other. Sadly, one is now starving and that other has always been the favourite. (parasitism)
The military complex has always been up the space program's arse. Army, Navy, and Air Force are all deeply involved. The aerospace industry emerged from the defense industry. It was profitable for many years. During the 1980s, it was at the pinnacle.
I also agree, SunKing, that the new space program emerges from a defense program.
Sadly, I must ask if people are willing to sit in the dark for the next 5 - 10 years or so until the new emergence occurs. If people are content being pacified by mirages and past nostalgia.
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371 Bohemia
Sunking: excellent blog. The reference to the Star Trek dream reminds me of the mirror universe episode of the original series and those of the last gasp show Enterprise. As in, we are living in the mirror universe.
I have felt for a long time that there is a military space programme and that it has been more advanced than the one we see. The last time I saw a UFO, I didn't think of it as ET but rather Black Ops. When the time comes, and I've said it before, the "replacement" shuttle will just be some outdated black ops technology but "advanced" to those who don't know better.
What Bohemia said about NASA's audits reminds me of the finances of the city where I live. They have this ability to lose and find millions of dollars when it suits them to do so. NASA is probably no different.
What makes no sense is how anyone can expect us to continue to be an "advanced" (I use that term loosely) civilisation when we continue to gut the foundations of education and the seeking of knowledge that makes that possible. That is the subject for another blog, or is it?
Eventually, the NASA rituals will lead to it's own self-destruction. If one puts the pieces together, we know from past Masonic rituals and traditions, the host must eventually be sacrificed in lieu of a new, bigger, better, stronger, more powerful one. A rebuilding, as it were.
Read between the lines and one can nearly grasp the anti-gravity technology and self-healing space craft materials. However, will NASA et al ever release or admit to anything other-worldly? Face on Mars? Iapetus? Environments? Life on Mars? Other places?
Perhaps not because that is where they have the most to lose. No longer will NASA be considered the focal point for all space advancement. It came from the deep. It came from out there.
Thanks, Bohemia. High praise.
I think it important, relative to the consideration of PNAC's viewpoint of space, is that Secy of the DoD Rumsfeld chaired the The Commission to Assess United States National Security, Space Management, and Organization, established in 1999, with the report issued 1/11/01 (JAS!). Here is some further info. It should help remove doubt about the nefarious plans being affected right now!
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/2820
Is this the tip of the tetrahydral iceberg? When one looks at everything going on "over there" it's great to see someone looking over "here". Good work Sunking.
Hi all,
Only a few events today:
Space Calendar
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The High Resolution Imaging Experiment (HiRISE) team now expects to receive its first pictures of Mars at The University of Arizona at 1:20 a.m. Mountain Time Friday, March 24 (8:20 Universal Time, Friday, March 24).
The HiRISE camera - the most powerful telescopic camera ever sent to another planet - is orbiting Mars on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO). The camera will take four images of Mars between 9:41 p.m. and 9:50 p.m. Mountain Time Thursday, March 23 (between 4:41 and 4:50 Universal Time Friday, March 24).
The images will reach Tucson a couple of hours later than initially estimated partly because a receiving station in NASA's Deep Space Network needs an extra half-hour to ensure lockup with the spacecraft's high-speed telemetry signal, said Eric Eliason, who manages the HiRISE Operations Center (HiROC).
NASA and the HiRISE team plans to release the first images on NASA and UA websites Friday, said HiRISE Principal Investigator Alfred S. McEwen. If the camera test is successful, sample black-and-white subframes will be available online at http://HiRISE.lpl.arizona.edu, http://www.nasa.gov/mro and http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/. Processing of the test-image data to produce best-quality color images and larger views is expected to take more than a week.
The camera will take a second set of Mars images Saturday morning, March 25.
HiRISE images taken tomorrow and Saturday will be the camera's only photos for the next six months, while the spacecraft "aerobrakes" into a circular orbit for its science mission. Aerobraking involves dipping repeatedly into the upper atmosphere to scrub off speed and drop into successively more circular orbits.
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8 Worlds Where Life Might Exist
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New Class of Comets May Be the Source of Earth's Water
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SOLAR ECLIPSE VIEWING AVAILABLE VIA NASA TV, PODCASTS, WEBCASTS
NASA and San Francisco's Exploratorium will team up to provide webcast, podcast and broadcast via NASA TV of the total solar eclipse on March 29. The coverage is part of this year's Sun-Earth Day theme, "Eclipse: In a Different Light," which shows how solar eclipses have inspired people to observe and understand the sun-Earth-moon system.
Podcast:
Begins March 27 from Turkey. Some podcasts are available now. A link to the Sun-Earth Day podcast is available at:
http://www.nasa.gov/podcast
Webcast:
5 a.m. to 6:15 a.m. EST, Wednesday, March 29. The webcast will relay the eclipse live from Side, Turkey. During the webcast, NASA will contact scientists in Turkey and Libya observing the eclipse. The webcast will be available at:
http://www.nasa.gov/eclipse
NASA TV:
NASA's Public Service Channel (#101) and Education Channel (#102) will carry the webcast. NASA's Media Channel (#103) will carry a live feed of the eclipse.
NASA TV's Public, Education and Media channels are available on an MPEG-2 digital C-band signal accessed via satellite AMC-6, at 72 degrees west longitude, transponder 17C, 4040 MHz, vertical polarization. In Alaska and Hawaii, they're on AMC-7 at 137 degrees west longitude, transponder 18C, at 4060 MHz, horizontal polarization. A Digital Video Broadcast compliant Integrated Receiver Decoder is required for reception. For NASA TV digital downlink information and access to the Public Channel, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/ntv
Telescope:
Telescope only feed: 4:30 a.m. to 7:30 a.m. EST, (Analog) Galaxy-3C/04C (95' W) U/L: 6005.000 MHz Horizontal; D/L: 3780.000 MHz Vertical Allocated Bandwidth (MHz): 36.000. NASA's Media Channel will also carry a live telescope feed of the eclipse (#103). This feed is courtesy of NASA and the Exploratorium.
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Mars meteorite similar to bacteria-etched earth rocks
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Methane-making microbes appeared early on Earth
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The Venus Express spacecraft will arrive at Venus on 11 April.
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The Odyssey spacecraft is in safing. It appears that it is due to an attitude control task, and has been seen in the past. The team is in the recovery process which is expected to complete by the weekend.
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Cheers!
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371 Bohemia
sunking,
Nice on the blog, I agree DoD will be top next. I ahve often wondered, is NASA on the outs because whatever is out there is too "big" for NASA? Or, is what's out there deemed by DoD to be "dangerous"? Thereby allowing the tough guys to deal with it instead of the rational pacifistic scientists? It seems so. IMO, the scientists want the contact to be and an exchange of knowledge and learning. On the other hand, the tough guys want to protect their turf peaceful contact be damned. Again, my opinion. I like it though. From all my reading, I believe the concensus to be that the people out there will not have the want to deal with these "low-lifes", brush them aside and contact all of those more in tune with God, peace and the willingness to ascend to a greater plane.
Bohemia,
I feel for you, watching the prospect of years of work and ambitions being systematically dismantled. I don't know what you have worked on or if you have been affected today or it is on the horizon. I hope you still get to do what you love to do. WTF?, eh?
starship said;
"What makes no sense is how anyone can expect us to continue to be an "advanced" (I use that term loosely) civilisation when we continue to gut the foundations of education and the seeking of knowledge that makes that possible."
We've advanced to a certain degree. However, we have regessed in the last 40 years to a paranoid, greedy and self serving society hiding within religion, drug abuseand illness(insert your favorite here). Money is power. The hell with the little guy. NWO, here we come. Now choir, let's sing a hymn!
Wayne
SSL4000G said...
We've advanced to a certain degree. However, we have regessed in the last 40 years to a paranoid, greedy and self serving society hiding within religion, drug abuseand illness(insert your favorite here). Money is power. The hell with the little guy. NWO, here we come. Now choir, let's sing a hymn!
starshipconstellation replies: We are the Ferengi! But no one can expect a civilisation to flourish given the path this civilisation is on. Unless we start making some big changes, we will end up on the scrap heap of history. This concludes my stating the obvious.
Wayne,
"Praaaaaaaaaise the Lord, and pass the ammunition..."
Thanks eric and SSC.
I think the thing to watch is if the warmongers are satisfied with a mere Space Command, or if a branch of the US Military is established...a Space Corps? Somewhere like the relationship of the Army with the Army Air Corps, the precursor to the US Air Force. The establishment of Space Corps would no doubt sound the death knell for NASA.
Thanks for all the updates, bohemia.
Oh, here's a link to that space Commision report.
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/spaceintro.pdf
Hi all...
Ms. T, I owe you an apology. I had misread one of your comments, which led me to mistakenly believe that someone in your family had died. That's why, a few posts ago, I said...
"...so sorry for ur loss..."
Sorry for the confusion...
Unipax, I'll let you know what I think of that loose change movie once I have the time to watch it (busy week for me next week)...
Finally! Progress on the life on Mars front...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060323_meteorite.html
Hope to see some HIRISE images soon...
Here's a Bible Code...
http://www.exodus2006.com/missile.htm
John
If you want to learn about a poisonous BIRD, go here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitohui
and here...
http://www.interaktv.com/articles/pitohui.htm
John
I sure wish NASA wouldn't suck so much
I sure wish those DoD pilots would be forthcoming
"Voluntary" national ID cards for Brits:
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=441172006
'Venus Express' is going into Venus orbit on 11 April?
4/11?
4-1-1?
What have we here? The ESA, too?
"X" said...
What have we here? The ESA, too?
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Isn't it just one big happy family?
Google Caught Censoring Charlie Sheen 9/11 Story
Quickly re-indexes pages during live radio discussion
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 23 2006
Note: Before you e-mail please understand that we are aware of the fact that Google now carries links to Sheen 9/11 articles, that is not our point as you will read below. The censorship issue began before Google reversed their policy this afternoon.
Google is again embroiled in a censorship scandal after being caught blocking information about Charlie Sheen's 9/11 comments, despite the fact that every other major search engine had indexed the pages.
For days, major search engines like Yahoo and others contained tens of thousands of web pages relating to Sheen's comments first broadcast on the Alex Jones Show on Monday afternoon. Last night CNN aired a piece on the issue and by early this morning both the New York Post and the Boston Herald ran articles.
We first noticed that there were no search results related to the story on Google the day after we broke the Sheen story. At first we decided to be fair and wait another day for Google to index an article which was by now linked on thousands of other websites and blogs. By Thursday afternoon, and with the story receiving more traffic, Google still had not indexed any material relating to the Sheen interview, from Prison Planet.com or any other websites. This despite the fact that the Drudge Report had briefly directly linked to our article, sending it millions of visitors.
During a live radio discussion of this issue between Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson on Alex Jones' broadcast Thursday afternoon, Google, as if they had people listening to the show, immediately re-indexed the pages and a search for 'Charlie Sheen 9/11' now returns 111,000 results at time of writing.
Pictured below are screenshots we managed to cache shortly before Google re-indexed the pages with the search terms 'Charlie Sheen 9/11' and the entire headline "Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story". As you can see, the Boston Herald story is linked from Google News (Google do not censor their affiliates) but the main search engine below returned no results. To stress again, this is three days after we broke this massive story. The usual index time for a story of this size is 12-24 hours and at the same time that Google returned no results whatsoever, tens of thousands were being carried by other major search engines like Yahoo.
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To make it crystal clear, Google's web spidering process is automated and we have received high Google rankings in the past for nothing stories that get little traffic. The Sheen story was linked everywhere and to eliminate it from Google's search results would have required technicians to physically access the spidering control panel and exclude an enormous amount of varied search terms.
Google has a history of censoring websites it dislikes within the US. Google Inc. banned and removed a mainstream news website from all its worldwide search engines, seemingly due to the website's reports on China's geopolitical affairs and military technology.
Google has banned its users inside the US and the rest of the world from accessing the Space War website from its search engine. Space War speculated at the time that this was at the behest of the "boys from Beijing."
Space War is a reasonably tame mainstream website that focuses on geopolitical affairs and satellite and military technology advancements. It is based in Australia and carries articles from AFP and United Press International.
After a complaints campaign supported by this website, Google agreed to re-index the website.
Did our defense of Space War cause Google to impose a blackballing campaign on our major articles or is this just a response to the sheer magnitude and influence of the Charlie Sheen story?
To emphasize, Google is now carrying search results related to Charlie Sheen's 9/11 comments, but only after it was exposed live on nationally syndicated radio that they had stonewalled this issue for three clear days even as it raged around the rest of the Internet as a viral story and broke into the mainstream yesterday and early this morning.
The floodgates on the Sheen story have opened, with CNN airing a balanced piece on the controversy. Meanwhile mainstream publications like Human Events, the New York Post, CBS and the Boston Herald used Sheen's comments to attack him and demonize anybody who questions the official line on 9/11. A round-up article of today's reaction to Charlie Sheen's comments will follow later tonight.
bubba hyde said...
Get ready folks because the shit is about to hit the fan.
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Yes, and moreso if this story doesn't get squashed:
Watch Alex Jones's appearance on CNN's Showbiz Tonight in which he not only successfully defends Charlie Sheen but also batters the Globalists with a raft of facts on the 9/11 inside job.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306alexvideo.htm
Hi unipax, finally wandered over to your blog, nice work, good shotgun approach to breaking out of the matrix.
I just linked your blog at the Station, how about doing the same for us?
http://marsrelaystation.blogspot.com/
Actually I am a little surprised and even a bit hurt that you haven’t allready.
But my tears of disquiet will soon turn to joy I am shure!
Just what are you guys discussing?
I have been away from Earth too long I can see, I get back from the Mars archeological digs and discover that the planetary space program is being dismantled, what?
Just what in blue blazes is going on?
John : Bible Codes : Exactly what kind of messages does your over-active cryptanalytic gland cause you to see ? Before kneeling, put what they think they see into context : the Hebrew Kabbalah was, like Greek Poppets and Romanian Onomasticons, used as a NOUN generator. It generated words for persons (usually of the Red Sea pedestrian variety), places and things. So, if the names of persons, places and things "appear" - it's because the text was laid out by previous generations and forensically examined - and put to use. The nouns appear by design, not by God-wink coincidence (as Michael Drosnin would have you believe - long enough to buy his book). The nouns you see - go to their source, their provenance and origin ... check out the Qamea of Yesod & Luna ... and I'm pretty sure that the pieces will begin to fall into place. No need looking for a super-natural explanation when you can spend just a few minutes and gather enough evidence for a natural explanation - the super-natural one will seem laboured and contrived.
19.5 degrees is the political division line between the Christian and Muslim Worlds after 1492, when the last Muslim stronghold (Granada) fell to Ferdinand and Isabella. That line passes through Fez (a masonic symbol) a slice of northern Tunisia - the exceptions - but also passes through the beginning of the Grail Mysteries - at COLOMBo, Sri Lanka. The US created a political line between Panama and COLOMBia. The duplication of place name is commemorative of the significance of that line. Assuming that line to be political zero, then London changes from 49.5* bearing north of natural zero, to 30.0* bearing from political zero. The first person to describe this line as "zero degrees" was the Pope in the Treaty of Tordesillas. He was not talking about longitude or latitude - because that zero and the division line between Portugal and Spain make no sense on an orthographic map projection - and why should it make sense ? OP had not been invented because Mercator wasn't born yet.
Who takes it upon themselves to decide what constitutes a "landmark" ?
The same group that calls themselves the Ancient Arabic Order and Nobles of the Mystic Shrine ?
Their symbol is the completed pyramid - end of external bravery, begin internal consolidation.
Once a symbol of frontier utopianism ... turned into a tool to help the rich get richer.
Political lines in Europe are extended to North America through this orthodox world view because it was (and remains) the only game in town. Orthodox meaning ortho (correct) to the dox (doctrine) of the Bible.
and thath all I haff to thay about thaaat ...
It'll be interesting to see how far the Sheen comments roll and what they shake up.
Their symbol is the completed pyramid
R. A. Wilson's
symbol
I'm using it too
I think the attention given to limousine liberals and "actorvists" is a reflection of our dumbed-down media, not our society. They (in the media) typically confuse public curiosity (box office sales) with public admiration.
When seeking the truth, beggars can't be choosers and we should recognize only two types of people : those who speak truth to power and those who do not. If polls are correct, the majority agree with what Charlie Sheen is saying and we're trying to find the tipping point - maybe this will turn over the apple=cart.
March 23 2006 at 03:22AM
Cairo - Archaeologists in Egypt have unearthed two 5 000-year-old wooden statues, complete with gold wrapping paper, believed to be the oldest such artifacts ever found, the team said on Wednesday.
The statues, which depict two nude men with precious stones around their eyes, were found by a Polish team in the northern Nile Delta region of Daqahliya, said a statement by chief archaeologist Krzysztof Cialowicz.
The effigies are believed to date from Egypt's pre-dynastic era (3 700 to 3 200 BC), before Egypt started to unify under the pharaohs.
Cialowicz said his team had also found remnants of gold-coated paper that experts said was used to wrap the wooden statues, believed to be the oldest such artifacts discovered to date.
Besides the statues, one around 75cm tall and the other around 40cm tall, the team has found warehouses and tombs in the same Tel al-Farkha area, said the statement issued by the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities.
Cialowicz's team has been excavating the area since 1998 and has found around 60 other statues, mostly of hippopotami and other animals. - Sapa-AFP
Crypto..Nostradamus refers to London as the city of the sun in century V vs. 81.
I think this is a reference to the 0 Longditude at Grenwich. It is interesting to your discussion that you have chosen 19.5 as a latitude which may be a measure of the earth numbers and the progression away from the equator by north and south a measure of the constellation viewing platform so it is not so much the numbers on the earth it is what can be seen and measured in the heavens.. 0 longditude equals London by virtue of the rising sun.. juststinking out loud..
gerald T/unipax,
Link to you blog has been added. Thanks for FSHOD link on yours!
You've been discussed here often and I THINK someone (uni?) recommended linking you before...I just didn't listen or something else caused me not to. Forgive. :)
From the Oz file.....
Missouri teen survives ride in tornado
Hi all...
Something I forgot to do in my first post was comment on the new blog post. It's a great post, and I think that NASA needs to get its head screwed on straight...
I heard about the deal for giving a company with ties to the Chinese military the job to scan for nukes in a Bahamas port. While I don't know all the details, I'm 99% sure this is not a good idea...
Crypto2, regarding Bible Codes, I'm not finding the messages; someone else already did that. I'm just linking to where the messages are displayed. Usually, they're displayed at the top of the page. For example...
"Pentagon - Why did you strike? - Who has directed? Yah behold! Cheat! - a kind of missile"
is at the top of the page. Sometimes they have a link to a related story...
John
Did someone say 'contracts'?
Wackenhut Security just received a 99 year contract to
continue to provide physical security for the Feds.
Wackenhut security officers are actual Federal Policemen (or agents). They were also the company that guarded the wreckage of the World Trade Centres (i.e. the 'evidence' of the crime, whisked away before too many questions were asked).
Why only 99 years and not 100? 100 years is considered a life-time or eternal contract, which is
illegal (I think). Somehow, 99 years is not. WTF??!
Mailin somehow got a 10 year contract extension from
NASA/JPL to continue to be the exclusive camera/image
provider. I guess the Cydonia Secret is safe for another 10 years?
"I guess the Cydonia Secret is safe for another 10 years?"
Considering it will take even longer to get a private firm up there ,10 years might be considerd "short term".
WTF?!?! Indeed!
Tell us how you REALLY feel, LDA! lol!
For anyone who wants to try their hand at decoding the Bible, here's a link to some free software...
http://exodus2006.com/torah4u.htm
John
latter_days_aint said...
I'm with SK on Charlie Sheen. I mean, come on, Charlie Frickin' Sheen?
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True. Reminds me of 'beggars cannot be choosers'.
But hey, its on CNN. Maybe someone else with a name will stand up and speak up. Like ssl4000g said...it'll be interesting to see....maybe it'll get legs and clout.
eric swan, re gold coated paper. If you take a lump of gold and beat the shit out of it with a hammer for long enough, you can make it as thin as you want. No high tech needed.Then glue to paper.
More interesting is Moche masks in S. America that plated gold on silver using unknown (electrolysis ?) plating process.
SK,LDA, not like Charlie ? silly humans - beggars can't be choosers.
Monkey Wrench-thanks for lesson on spatial dimensions. I already learned about it by chasing my tail. Please lay out process whereby space turns into matter and acquires mass.
Also, matter raining down from space fast enough to increase dimensions of planet from dino to now would be noticed.
Example: 1000 Km expansion of radius in 100,000,000 years
=(10^6)/(10^8) = 1 centimeter per year. Hope you like to dust and clean house !
nite-nite Paclids !
A beggar?!? A silly human? A parasitic creature?
How do I rate that, Monkey See?
And what makes you think you're so superior to anyone else? Your attitude could stand readjustment, friend.
I can't decide either SunKing.
Has the Disclosure Project, CSETI, really been communicating with intergalactic
life-forms ?
Is NASA really being cynically used to manipulate child-hood dreams ?
While the 'real stuff' is going on, 'out there' all around us ?
Darkwood...
The drug Link.
I was actually hallucinating insects myself, when I was reacting against this medicine, I was given, aged 6.
The body can do some weird things when reacting against a poison.
Good to see this being reported.
The Loose Change 911 link.
At last! I think the obvious collapse from the bottom of the tower
is the real clincher, for me anyway. I remember, I was shaking after
seeing this footage on the day. I could'nt say why exactly, that day, as there
was so much else going on. Suffice to say, that subconsciously, I knew
that I was, sadly, NOT witnessing 'a random act of violence'...the tell-tale
signs are there.
Keep Clear ! Stay Alert !
DJBarney
I agree SK...Charle Sheen as the spokesperson/sacrificial lamb? Could they have found a less likeable person? Michale Moore is too much of a wuss. I guess Jennean Gorofolo was out of town...
I mean, i'm all for the fact that CNN et. al. are actually giving the story a cursory glance: but stangely Alex Jones isn't all that concerend about the credibility of his "spokessheople". What a shame.
Well, then, the next obvious thought is that Alex Jones is NOT the voice of honest, open disclosure, because his action is setting the whole issue up to swept under the rug again. Then the dyzinformatzya officials (e.g. Faux News) will be able to say "Asked and answered!...Here we go with that 'conspiracy theory' again...the mindless babbling of Hollywood sex fiends looking to further their careers...Osama did it and Gawd bless George Dubya Bush".
The work of Michael Moore could not have worked out better for the RNC...hence, I truly doubt his 'pure, liberal' intentions ... makes me suspect him greatly. Knowing nothing about Jones and how this thing with Sheen came about, he is either seriously self-deluded, or merely another tool of The Secret Cabal.
Folks, read up...think about how the media has been used to manipulate public opinion on everything from UFO, to Crop Circles. Subtle shadings of truth and lies and deftly used to show different things to different people. It's now an art form. And a dangerous weapon. It was used be the killers of Kennedy. It is now being used by the perpetra(i)tors of 9/11.
John's HomeSchool Lesson O' the Day: Just cuz the label on the apple says 'Red Delicious' don't mean it ain't sour and got a worm on the inside. Always question authority, but you better question the stars of the opposition, too!
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SunKing said...
Well, then, the next obvious thought is that Alex Jones is NOT the voice of honest, open disclosure, because his action is setting the whole issue up to swept under the rug again.
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Ya, that could happen. But I doubt that it is Alex Jones' game plan.
He is one of, if not THE most 'in their face' of all the players. He's has been on the job for years.
If this backfires, maybe its cuz his zeal exceeded his wisdom..
Sheen is the only big ride in town at the moment. Clock is ticking. Jones strapped on and will ride as far as he can get. No doubt he hopes Sheen is THE opening.
Let's hope someone else stands up. I'm sure lots of other celebrities are watching to see if it looks safe to speak up. I'd like to see a poll of celebrities telling how many agree with Sheen.
I think Jones is a straight shooter, and he REALLY wants (dont wanna say desparate) to acquire the tipping point. IMHO.
Ohhhhhh!,
Me see. Monkey Wrench can dish out crap and everyone must take it.
Hmmmm, double standard here ?
But, MW been VERY GOOD MONKEY while Monkey See visit !
Me think he surprised by other monkey pooping on his territory!
If monkey see thought he superior, he would not bother coming here. Only problem is FSHOD Paclids need swift kick in ass to listen to reason. They caught up in fantasy that suck life energy and eventually they fade away like Cheshire cat!
But, that their problem! Monkey See go to other trees and have fun!
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
Every midnight after dark,
I goose the statues in the park !
If Custer's horse can take it
why can't you!
Ohhhhh, the monkeys have no tails
in Zam-bo-an-ga !
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi,hi!
Jones took his vidcam operator with him when he went to renew his Texas driver license cuz he planned to challenge the new fingerprinting requirement. Quite a scene. They were ready for him with cops and top DMV staff. Quite a scene ! He repeatedly demanded his license without fingerprinting, it was a standoff. They eventually either arrested him or made him leave the building.
I think he's for real.
monkee think he see
but monkee like to climb tree
when in forest he no can see
watch out for for tha bad monkee pee
who pretends superiorit-ee
Well, as I said, I was speaking from a platform of extreme ignorance about Jones and about the circumstances of the Sheen story. Hell, every time I try the link to listen to the Sheen interview, I get zip. But hey, I wish it well and hope it goes, hope it wakes SOME people up!!
I hear him talking about establishing a new 9/11 commission, maybe of former beauracrats, etc. Whatever, they will have to have full subpeona power, a full staff of lawyers and clerical/secretarial folk...a real big undertaking, for sure.
Bubba, you best not be making fun of my pimp suit! ;)
(Sunking reads Monkey See's mindless bull-shit post, puts his head in hands and says "Not this stupid horseshit all over again! Why can't folk just come here and post what they have to say without all this idiocy and pompous, superior bullshit attitude!".)
In a way, it's not such a stretch having Charlie Sheen be the one who does this. Didn't he make a movie about a radio astronomer who discovers an ET signal, but signal is reallllyyyy close which naturally involves all the dark elements we go on about here? I can't remember the name of the movie, but it was made in the last 10 or so years. I should look at the IMDB and see if it's listed.
Though personally, I would have preferred the messenger not to be such an easy target for ridicule.
wv: sgtblr
Whan I was in University all of the journalisim classes and mass media courses I took preached journalistic responsibility. The term "the gate keepers" was used alot. The media decides what gets in AND out. Scary thought.
It really ment nothing to me then, but as I see how badly the media has mis used its power I understand how important that term really is.
I long for a day when some maverick (with more money than sense) decides to start up a "new" journalistic endeavour: 24 hour Alt. news. channel. "All the news everyone else is afraid to print!"
A more global perspective, even universal point of view.
We can dream....
Monkey pee...
The wrench has put up with more than one kick in the jimmies from da crew and he can take it.
His doggerel is better too.
Hi Fool, Scarlet.
yeah, that was a good movie, too.
Scarlet,
But even then, wouldn't you require a gatekeeper? Isn't some journalistic integrity required just too keep standards up?
Wonder how long it takes for "Three and a Half Men" to be axed?
So, is sheen going to be the new poster boy for the 9/11 cover up, or will he mysteriously be found dead of a drug overdose?
Only time will tell. But you see, when you have someone with a infamous nature, someone who is prone to trouble, you not only have a credibilty problem, you have too much room for "accidents".
More power to him.
I just hope he can "survive" the publicity.
sunking said;
"Folks, read up...think about how the media has been used to manipulate public opinion on everything from UFO, to Crop Circles. Subtle shadings of truth and lies and deftly used to show different things to different people. It's now an art form. And a dangerous weapon. It was used be the killers of Kennedy. It is now being used by the perpetra(i)tors of 9/11."
Amen to that, TDC had a show on UFO's the other night, the one with Jason Martell and TVF. I felt is one of those "you silly guys" type presentations with the conspiracy theorists made to look aloof and not relevant. Oh yea, they chewed up von Daniken pretty well too. And that's okay. But the whole thing was disinfo sillyness.
Yep, Sheen has his work cut out for him alright. I still like the idea of someone, someone shaking the tree. I just hope it's the tree with stuff to fall out of it. :)
Wayne
SK:
Of course, but "Gate Keeping" is only as good as the keepers themselves. The days of Ed Murrow are long ago and faraway. Murrow was a hero because he wasn't gonna cower to The Man;and paticularly powerful AND insane one at that! You really think for a minuite that Anderson Cooper (a Vanderbilt) is really gonna sock it to em?
Bill Hemmer, while just cute as a bug, really doesn't scream TOUGH to me.
Helen Thomas went after the President's BALLS the other day and the whole right wing about had a coronary.
"you just don't do that. Helen was outta line"
BULLSHIT. She finally articulated what (according to the polls)at least 70% of this country is SCREAMING at the 5:30 news everynight. We need more of her, and less of these sycophant, drooling pseudo journalists that are so prevelant today. unfortunatly most of them are liberal, but they are the whiny kind, not the in your face kind.
We need pitbulls no poodles.
end rant. LOL
Wayne,
I saw that show, too. 'Strangest Ufo Stories' or something like that. Pure dyzinformatzya! But they DID have a lot of famous faces. But always some lame explanation for why it was 'just swamp gas'! They showed the catbox picture to explain away the Face on Mars, but nothing about the how and why and who of the catbox pic.
I keep meaning to see who was behind that BS.
sk,
So did I, the damn credits rolled by too fast due to the new way of ending shows. Didja notice that they continue right to the next show, no more slow credit rolls with music or an announcer talking aout the next show? Whew! Sorry bout the run on.
Wayne
Helen is an old battle axe for sure. I agree with ya there Fool. There is a liberal bias in the news and I completely understand that...99% of them are the whiny type though. There are no "do gooders" in the field anymore. Look, Clinton got ROASTED in the press (and damn near impeached) for his tacky shenangins..but he wasn't getting our boys blown to smithereens in an unjustified war either. Its difficult to concentrate on world affairs when you have your own to (man) handle.
Rant ON:
I just don't think anyone has any integrity anymore. I thought you were supposed to go through disillusion phase in your 20's. Not at mid life! I was a staunch conservative until very recently. My whole world view has been kinda shaken up and I really don't "trust" anyone, politically.
The liberas are pu$$ies,and the conservatives are too belicose. No one is "just right" and all of it just seems some how...wrong.
Truth is a scarce commodity in everthing these days. I am just glad Helen said what she did because it needed to be said.
Rant off.
(don't worry, I'll be gone next week so y'all won't have to put up with me much longer ;) )
Fool, scarlet, all...
Funny, The 'big' story this week IS about the media. And Helen and Charlie are only part of it.
The right-wing ass-speak shows are going in overtime today about the 'media left-wing bias', the 'alien media nation', yada yada yada. WHY is that the strong topic?
In the 80's they convinced middle-class white voters that the store was being given away by the Democrats to black loafers collecting welfare checks...Cure? Vote a Republican to your House of Representatives and to your Senate.
In the 90's they convinced middle class white voters that liberals were evil...then Willie got caught getting a blowjob. Big deal, but oh-boy what a field day they had with THAT!
Next, having secured majority in Congress and won the Presidency, the convinced middle class white voters and Christians (a political plus with their built in organizations for communications and outreach) that lawyers were evil and that all the courts were out of control. Now the courts are in 'their' control.
What's left? Well the media. And today, radio has convinced middle class white voters and Christians that 'main-stream media' of whacked and that the only way to get truth is thru Faux News and their talk radio shows. They are truly marketing themselves as the next best thing since sliced bread...the ONLY source of the truth. Convince these folk of that, then how easy is it to control the 'hearts and minds of Amurrica'? They have been pushing for legal action to be taken against the reporters who wrote the stories about the secret prisons, etc., they have been railing about Miss Helen....they been raising hell against the media.
The of course neglect to tell their listeners that most main-stream media is owned my those with heavy investment or outright ownership of companies growing fat in the Military/Industrial complex, or that the main-stream media was complicit, by their silence, during the build up to- and even after the (un)War in Iraq.
This is all build up to the mid-term election, as just about every news story for the past 4-5 months has been.
Destroy the public faith in the main-stream media.
Offer the alternative of the brave and glorius truth-speakers of talk radio and FN.
Squash the 'media-driven' insanity of this 9/11 tale.
Stop the bad news about the economy and Iraq from being listened to. Listen to the 'gospel' from the 'alternatives' of liberal socialism.
Can anyone say 'long-term strategy'? I bet Rove can.
There is NO liberal bias to the media. Crap!!! That has what we have been ingrained to think. The media is biased to MONEY!!!!!
"The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." —John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff at the New York Times
Probably I dont know what I'm talkin about, but what the hell, here goes......
Liberals / conservatives. Da more I grok it the less I know. Isn't it really about economics, or do 'cons' actually care what happens behind da bedroom door ? None of my business.
I think there's a lot of hijacking of issues just for politics. Like abortion, which also happens to be none of my business.
Doesn't Cheney have a gay daughter? How could that be possible? She has to be faking it.
Was religion always a determining factor in identifying lib/con ? Or is that something new ?
Libs / cons = divide and conquer. Oldest statregy in the world.
All our problems began with daylight savings, I think. Or maybe all our troubles stemmed from the introduction of oleo, I'm unsure which to blame.
Really, what ARE the essential criteria distinguishing "Libs" and "Cons" ? What should I look for?
Am I safe to start with differences around economics?
sunking,
such a great quote from john swinton re journalists. I saw that a while back, I think he was addressing fellow journalists at an award gathering.
scarletm...
> I long for a day when some maverick...
Scarletm...did you view the 'loose change' video (link above). I think it
might be what you're looking for ?-)
DJBarney
Go to wtc7.net and watch WTC building 7 collapse into its own footprint in a symmetrical fashion. Ask why the National Institute of Standards and Technology has NOT released the final report on that collapse, and will not until after the next election cycle?
Hi all...
1ST PICTURE FROM THE MRO OF THE MARTIAN SURFACE!!!!
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/gallery/calibration/images/pia08014-AEB1-full-reduced1.jpg
John
RELEASE: 06-105
NASA Appoints Board to Investigate Fatality at Kennedy Space Center
NASA formed an investigation board this week at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, Fla., to review the circumstances surrounding the death of a construction worker who fell off a building at the center.
The functions of the five-member investigation board include examining the facts surrounding the incident, gathering evidence, determining probable cause and recommending corrective actions. A final report is expected in about one month.
Chairing the board is John Casper, manager of the Space Shuttle Management Integration and Planning Office at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston. Casper is a veteran astronaut who flew on four space shuttle missions. He has also served as director of Safety, Reliability and Quality Assurance at Johnson. In addition to the five voting members, the board is also supported by a number of NASA advisers and administrative support staff.
In the early afternoon of March 17, Steven Owens, a 46-year-old employee of Oneida Construction, was performing roof repairs at a warehouse when he fell about 16 feet. Emergency personnel were called to the site, and he was airlifted to a hospital in Orlando, Fla., where he died that same day. Owens was part of a roofing crew working on a warehouse located behind the Kennedy headquarters building in the center's industrial area. Oneida Construction is a subcontractor to Space Gateway Services, Kennedy's base operations contractor.
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371 Bohemia
Cool john, Thanks!
Does anyone know where on Mars this is? And why do some of the craters look like domes? Is it my brain not accomodating? One of these looks like its casting a shadow.
Bohemia: Do we know when others will be realeased? Is there a set schedual?
Sorry lots of questions.
Hey John - what's it like to be in the MINORITY that believes the Government version of 911 ??
CNN POLL:
Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?
Yes:82% 25989 votes
No:18% 5521 votes
(YES JOHN YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE ON THIS PLANET BELIEVING THESE LIES !!)
Crypto or Clan Destine:
How does Delphi figure into your schematic for sacred distances and or geonodes?..And specifically, if the Greeks considered it center of the world...how does one reconcile that with Jerusalem and its importance? Why was it Delphi and not Athens?Also, surely the Greeks understood Jerusalem as an important and sacred center. My question is of personal importance. I value your input and knowledge in such matters and eagerly await your thoughts.
ScarletM,
You asked:
Bohemia: Do we know when others will be realeased? Is there a set schedual?
Friday, March 24, 2006 10:54:38 PM
Here's your answer (service with a smile :)...
The High Resolution Imaging Experiment (HiRISE) team now expects to receive its first pictures of Mars at The University of Arizona at 1:20 a.m. Mountain Time Friday, March 24 (8:20 Universal Time, Friday, March 24).
The HiRISE camera - the most powerful telescopic camera ever sent to another planet - is orbiting Mars on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO). The camera will take four images of Mars between 9:41 p.m. and 9:50 p.m. Mountain Time Thursday, March 23 (between 4:41 and 4:50 Universal Time Friday, March 24).
The images will reach Tucson a couple of hours later than initially estimated partly because a receiving station in NASA's Deep Space Network needs an extra half-hour to ensure lockup with the spacecraft's high-speed telemetry signal, said Eric Eliason, who manages the HiRISE Operations Center (HiROC).
NASA and the HiRISE team plans to release the first images on NASA and UA websites Friday, said HiRISE Principal Investigator Alfred S. McEwen. If the camera test is successful, sample black-and-white subframes will be available online at http://HiRISE.lpl.arizona.edu; http://www.nasa.gov/mro, and http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/. Processing of the test-image data to produce best-quality color images and larger views is expected to take more than a week.
The camera will take a second set of Mars images Saturday morning, March 25.
HiRISE images taken tomorrow and Saturday will be the camera's only photos for the next six months, while the spacecraft "aerobrakes" into a circular orbit for its science mission. Aerobraking involves dipping repeatedly into the upper atmosphere to scrub off speed and drop into successively more circular orbits.
This was posted prevously above on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:12:38 PM.
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371 Bohemia
ScarletM,
scarletm said...
Does anyone know where on Mars this is? And why do some of the craters look like domes? Is it my brain not accomodating? One of these looks like its casting a shadow.
Friday, March 24, 2006 10:54:38 PM
My answer:
Check the following links for a description of the images:
http://HiRISE.lpl.arizona.edu
http://www.nasa.gov/mro
and
http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/
Please let me know if further information is needed.
Kind regards!
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371 Bohemia
Thanks Bohemia!
We are lucky to have you at our beck and call!
Cheers Friend!
If you draw a flat earth map centered on Jerusalem, it is possible to make a line that will pass through Athens first (could be the parthenon or a temple) then, the line continues to pass through Delphi and Dodona.
A flat earth map centered on any of those four locations will reveal the alignment to the other three points. Whether anyone (prior to cult archaeology) ever believed it was the center of the world, I don't know ... although I can measure it's placement/alignment to the center of the world.
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Bo,
thanks again, glad you're here !
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thanks crypto re Charlie Sheen. Agreed.
Who cares how he like his eggs.....(its nobody's business). I think maybe the gnashing of teeth was less personal toward him, and more like annoyance with his being an easy target for the rabid dogpacks out there.
Besides its often those that know the slap of crap that are most able to smell it and name it.
slap of crap?....wtf? who wrote that?
scarletm said...
->The liberas are pu$$ies,and the conservatives are too belicose. No one is "just right" and all of it just seems some how...wrong.<-
DarkWood responds...
That's cause you aren't really viewing two different factions, just two sides of the same friggin' coin! I believe uni mentioned the whole lib / con thing as a divide and conquer tactic, and I concur wholeheartedly. I look at the arguments attributed to both sides and I see strong points and bullshit spewing from both.
I am neither liberal nor conservative. I am a spiritual being having a human experience and trying real hard not to get too caught up in the soap opera all around.
scarletm also mentioned...
->I long for a day when some maverick (with more money than sense) decides to start up a "new" journalistic endeavour: 24 hour Alt. news. channel. "All the news everyone else is afraid to print!"<-
DarkWood replies...
Frankly, that's how I approach my own blog and I think that's what we're shooting for here. As long as the Internet remains the last real communication frontier, I really hope to see more revolutionary use of weblogs.
Personally, I think Jello Biafra said it best:
"Don't hate the media, BECOME the media!"
DarkWood
Monkey See said...
eric swan, re gold coated paper.
I was most interested in the precious stones around the eyes.
Luckily, the criminal code didn't distinguish Jews from non-Jews. Does it distinguish in Israel ? If a car driven by a Jew hits a car driven by a Gentile, the Jew is liable and no court would hear or accept "but I'm Jewish" as a plea. Rabbis were operating on "bad paper" for a long time - but where did those rules apply ? Maybe their one-sided rules are a reason for their being homeless for thousands of years ... waiting for Law to become more secularized.
I would suspect (in some cases expect) judges to stick to their family compact - because, after all, why give up a million dollar law practice to be a judge if there was no discretionary power. If you inherit, you've moved beyond careerism and you're on the second floor, looking down.
The Kabbalah is a form of pre-mass media propaganda. King John threw out the Jews to sign the Magna Carta, then invited them back to help with the English language - which is the Qabala - the English had a source of information through Rome, but reasoned that some details might have been lost on the conquerors. This is the genesis of Jews going into the media - their historical or traditional role in the language (alphabet tables etc) kabbalists are taught to 'look inside to the light'.
Jodie Foster got her Semiotics from University, some get theirs through Madonna, Scientology, or their history teacher at Juiliard might teach them about Porta Tableaus (inventing names for characters and places) after teaching them that Porta brought the comedy back to Western Europe (laughing had been banned for over 1,200 years).
That's a great pic of Mars. Should be cool when this thing gets on line. Crossing fingers for unadulterated data.
Bohemia,
Why are the ejecta blankets from the craters not apparent but the craters are very well defined?
Wayne
the craters are old and the ejecta blankets were ripped off along with the oceans ?
Don't hate the media - become the media ...
and if the medium is the message,
that means we're supposed to become messagers ? or messengers ?
John : Is it possible that the names and places were already there - because a previous generation took (scryed) them from there ? Prophecy comes down to predicting events, which is broken down to words or isograms that represent persons, places and things. Control over the origin of words is control over the word stew, the emerald tablet, or the minutum mundum. It offers opportunities to prove divinity through predictions at an international level, described by Jack Miles in A Biography of God.
Fulfillment of prophecy has been the guiding principle of US foreign policy since 1776 - justifying everything from Westward expansion to joining the UN ... prophecy is how & why an agrarian Republic turned into an Empire led by a leisure class that interprets the Bible through headlines like a form of divination. Press Barons played on this - and continue to play on that gullability or exploit that vulnerability of faith.
The Devil is in the Details ...
CANOPY
The contact point where settled revelation (church) leaves off and the trail switches over to real exploration (science) is different for every discipline of science.
The idea for a canopy comes from Professor Dodwell, Cambridge-educated Astronomer Royal for Australia reported to the Queen that the Earth had wobbled to 26.5* in a great cataclysm and we are correcting ourselves at 23.5* today. The collapse of a canopy of (frozen?) water collapsed - explaining why an expanding and formerly all-land planet could have water-laid sedimentary fossils - with animals, whales, men and trees all in the same strata.
I heard a Coast guest a few years ago talking about sharks & whales mixed up with land animals in the sedimentary rock - the evidence they were talking about was an 80ft balene whale standing on its tail.
Can anyone on FSHOD write a blog to discuss the Canopy theory ? Dodwell told the Queen that the collapse of the canopy would have re-spahed every inch of the planet.
Would a canopy create a terrarium-like environment ?
Would a canopy (alone) alter gravity to enable the dinosaurs to stand up ? Explaining why dinosaur fossils are SO BIG is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. The big dinosaurs have to stand up - and the big birds also have to fly. Would a thicker atmosphere between land and the canopy be pressurized ? Would it make it harder or easier for birds to fly ? Could birds (modern dinosaurs) saaayyy, fly without feathers ?
I've got questions about canopy theory - and to go spelunking on the Internet without a science away team would be useless.
FSHOD has field units and a garrison unit ... I propose a field unit to reconcile the Canopy theory with an expanding earth theory. Canopy theory is out there, the best work, or at least most on target in the biblical relation is the "God is in Control" types. The other information will have to be gathered the hard way
There are references in the Bible to 'waters above and below' ... and we do have tropical trees near the North Pole that have perfect rings (hinting at constant growth from constant climate - or, no seasons)
To clarify my canopy question :
Dodwell didn't mention an expanding earth. Since we just went through the Expanding Earth Hypothesis (EEH), now would be a good time to weigh the Canopy Theory.
The globe Columbus used is gone - we only have accounts of it. Behaim's Globe is believed to be the closest - but Columbus' globe at Salamanca had an Earth with the land to water ratio reversed.
Could that water-to-land ratio have been reversed because the water went "up" ? What does that do to local gravity when weight is suspended above the surface instead of beneath sea level ? Is it like the spinning figure skater pushing her hands out to slow down ?
Can anyone guess what kind of map he used ? Everyone knows that Columbus' maps were four foot square - the space for his maps was on display at the 1892 Chicago Worlds Fair celebrating his Voyages of Discovery.
We have observations (hard visual evidence) of an expanding Earth ... and if the Bible and reports of Columbus' globe start to confirm observations about our in-land seas, global warming and things like that ... it would be an FSHOD topic that would make the whole greater than the sum of its parts, no ?
I should go before I wear out the question mark key :-)
[Barney hacks into the ships comms and sends a crackly ship wide message]
Did you all watch the Loose Change 911 video ?
http://myspace.com/loosechange911
Sorry to go on about this, but nobody has mentioned it except for me and Darkwood.
It is an internet collaboration, and is EXTREMELY professional and well researched.
This guy and his team will go far! It put's big network journalists TO SHAME !
Please watch it...it's so relevant ! What if this kind of standard was applied to
the UFO issue or 'surpressed energy devices' ?
[DJBarney...you are not authorised to access the comms in this way!...snap]
DJBarney
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DJB.. watched Loose Change and posted to this blog..months ago.
Crypto..answered your "Canopy" issues last issue. Maybe you missed it. The scriptural interpretation starts in Genesis and ends in Genesis. The canopy was "mist". The earth was in a fog. No rainbow prior to the flood equals no rain. Just mist. A colder planet equals condensation in the form of rain and a rainbow.
monkey see (aka Jason, oh pleeeease),
Refer to mathematical zinger reply in the last blog Section "Fine By Me".
Monkey Wrench
Charlie Sheen: 'Challenge Me On the Facts'
Actor's first response since media firestorm over 9/11 comments
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 24 2006
Charlie Sheen has responded publicly for the first time since the media firestorm over his comments by challenging his detractors to debate him on the evidence of 9/11 and not issues relating to his personal life.
"I am an American citizen that loves my country and as a citizen with my passion for this great country I demand that I be challenged on the facts not on immature behavior from twenty years ago," said Sheen.
"If they continue to attack me personally it only gives credence to our side of the argument."
Sheen elaborated on how developments during the course of the week had unfolded and his reaction to them.
"All I can say is wow! Wow! this has been some kind of week I can tell you."
Sheen tipped his hat to A.J. Hammer and CNN's Showbiz Tonight for having the guts to cover the story and give 9/11 skeptics a balanced platform on which to discuss the issues. He called the CNN poll showing around 82% support his stance on 9/11 an "inspiration" and "staggering" but Sheen also outlined the fact that he was not entirely surprised by the outcome. Sheen said he was encouraged by the support shown on blogs and message boards across the Internet.
The poll directly contradicts a line of attack used on a Hannity and Colmes piece Thursday night which claimed that Sheen's views didn't reflect the mainstream of America. If we are to treat an 82% majority as the mainstream then that accusation is completely fraudulent.
Sheen addressed the attack pieces generated from his comments.
"The majority of them, in fact 90% of them, were attacking me personally, were attacking my credibility, were attacking my observational or talents of insight or observance and what they did not attack is the specific points that you and I raised, the points that generate the most controversy about the events," Sheen told the Alex Jones Show.
"For anyone to have any kind of opinion on something that warrants an opinion I guess you have to be squeaky clean."
Sheen made the point that the hit pieces singled out his quotes relating to his first reaction to 9/11, and in particular the suspicious collapse of the buildings, but deliberately avoided the hardcore evidence he later presented, making him appear uninformed when in fact he had documented why he had serious doubts about the official story.
"I was vilified for expressing my feelings about what I saw and I was demonized for expressing my gut reaction to what I saw."
Even so, both Dan Rather and Peter Jennings' gut instincts were that the collapse of the buildings looked like controlled demolition so Sheen is hardly on a skinny branch in simply stating what common sense told him at the time.
"When they pigeon-hole me into the tin foil hat wearing conspiracy knuckle-head brigade they don't mention those quotes by Peter Jennings and Dan Rather," said Sheen.
Sheen responded to the claims made by National Geographic producer Nicole Rittenmeyer aired by CNN on Wednesday night. Rittenmeyer insinuated that her conclusions on 9/11 were credible simply due to the fact that the series she produced had high viewing figures.
"This woman based all of her credibility on the ratings that the show received and I find that ludicrous because what that speaks to is people's interest. Whether you believe the official story or you're curious about an alternate viewpoint so she kind of shot herself in the foot talking about 'this is the base of my credibility', 'this is why I'm right, because a lot of people watched it', you know I could say the same thing about the reaction to my comments this week....but I'm not saying that I'm just here to remind people that the only credibility that I need is what I have and that is as an upstanding taxpaying American citizen who loves his country and who refuses to stand by as this level of insanity is blanketed over obvious truths."
Sheen reiterated his main focus as being on what caused Building 7, which wasn't hit by a plane, to become only the third steel building in history to collapse from fire damage (the other two being the twin towers). Photographs taken prior to the building's collapse show minor fires before it falls in a textbook demolition fashion.
"If there's a problem with Building 7 then there's a problem with the whole damn thing and guess what? There's a serious problem with Building 7," said Sheen.
Sheen demanded that Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, explain what he meant when he told a September 2002 PBS documentary 'America Rebuilds' that the decision was made to "pull" the building, which is a demolition term for deliberate implosion.
"When someone makes a statement like that I think it warrants a follow up response," said Sheen.
"In fact you know what I'll come right out and say that I'm personally requesting a direct answer from Mr. Silverstein about what he meant....give him my number tell him to call me I'm just curious. Tell him to call CNN tell him to call somebody because you cannot make a statement like that and not follow it up, and not back it up and not explain it."
"Anyone that cannot view this as a controlled demolition, I would have to say that their chair was not facing the television. Anyone that can look at this and say 'yes, that is a random event caused by fire' really needs psychiatric evaluation," said Sheen.
Sheen challenged the mainstream media to run a poll on Building 7 asking if viewers believe from video evidence that the building was brought down by means of controlled implosion.
Sheen again underscored his challenge to his detractors to debate him on the evidence and not idle gossip about his private life and his family.
"I ask that they look at the evidence and they debate myself, yourself, people that support us on those specific issues. Not about me personally, not about what they think about me personally not about what they think they know about me personally, just about the facts. I issue that challenge."
Sheen expressed his excitement at the response that his stance received and hinted that this was only the beginning of the journey.
"It feels like you and I have started the revolution and God bless America," said Sheen in closing.
...Gerald T, Sword, Gort...
a missivo good ta see ya all :)
Eric yes 9/11 (let's roll 9/11.org)... WTF?
then Charlie Sheen, yes, it's good dat some of them have started speaking out... Latter_Days_aint, heard ya, wish more would shout about this, but good points raised, who else would be believed any better? After all Charlie Sheen is just one man, with one voice... a famous one, but still... da stone is rolling >:)
Ms T. ya linked via the www to a global family for true.
It's knowing that we are all here reading an joining in the prayers...
amen, that we all get the disclosure that we each wish for for.
yes good blog SunKing; NASA, WTF???
Since finding TEM last year and subsequently really analysing NASA's obtuseness to anyone seeking answers, REAL answers has had me saying WTF for months now, well all da hard-core SHODDIES know...
Tempel 1 spectrographic images.
The proof that has been staring NASA-T in the face since July 4th last year.
Yes a massive WTF NASA?
Dhali-Lama was interviewed on CNN, he claims that he is just human. Bit like all of us linked here.
So if we are all humans, aren't we deserving of the truth. NASA pooh-bahs are human apparently, what makes them MORE deserving of the TRUTH than us? Where they born with a telescope inserted up their jaxies?
my small list of WTF's?
FEMA WTF?
Homeland Security WTF?
Rove/DeLay/LysoL - WTF?
WTBT$ WTF?
In fact generally WTF, who is gonna listen to the PEOPLES voice?WTF?
This $y$tem is lost in space.
NA$A WTF?
Objective open science? Where, when, how, where you planning to reveal to the truth to us, you know the rest of us - Humans. Us Citizens of planet earth and the greater solar system or Universe. Under the barrel of a homeland security gun? in a Gitmo jail? Some kind of UN/Fema concentration camp?
WTF?
NASA and in turn DoD, did you think it only your privelidge to know and have these secrets?
WTF?
I could go on, but I'll save it for later...
DjB, I hear ya regarding Bu$h and his eejit'ness. But here's da ting bro, what kind of man, can mentally take on a President of the/A superpower goverment?
I know it's not really much of a challenge, as his *($hrub$) IQ and shoe size are the same (either he's got long feet or...).
DjB, da point is in mi online mental blog sparing, the truth is loud. The Bu$h is naked.
The emporer has no clothes. He's shameful to look at. Just a man with a severe personality disorder.
How much longer can he take the heat without combusting?
Time will tell...
Clan destine enjoyed your post, r.e. Fusion profiles... so that's how some of it works. Like a wizard wearing a pointy wizard hat, it adds to the sum of the majic... or cummunication.
hmmmmmmm
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As a side note, am so freakin impressed with this blog SunKing, it's taken me a long whiles to get catch up... (been errrm Sunbathing and snorkelling, drinking, swimming... (da weather is goooooooood :) )
Yes WTF?
good tings to ponder SunKing...
PS (another) (((((Ms T))))) we all are crew...
...hi hi hi and noticed ya posted at 3:33:00 ya tri-focussed pirate.
and 11/1/01 yes 101 "word!"
Delta
-9-tetrahydrocannabinol...
...coincidence... [hifff...]
Crypto.. I posted a pic of a bird fossil that I found a few years ago..
http://hakkors.blogspot.com/
This specimen is found in a fossil bed that contains fish, flowers, pine cones, leaves and insects. I spent a decade of collecting in this fossil bed. At least 1,000 of my collection is in the Provincial Museum in Victoria. These fossils are found in the volcanic ash beds which settled into a fresh water inland lake and formed zeolite. There is no indication of dinosaurs or there direct descendents in this "eocene" period.
The Cretaceous Period circa 65 million years ago is the time period for the "giants" that you are querying as the elephants in the room. I don't think gravity has changed; I think the weather has changed. 65 million years ago, plant and animal fossil records indicate a temperate climate where giant forests existed from pole to pole as you have pointed out. The canopy you are referring to may have been the "mist" that Genesis talks about. If the planet was indeed much warmer at that time, water would have evaporated into the atmosphere which would be what we are calling "global warming". Rain and rainbows would be the result of a "cooler" climate. A cooler climate could be accomplished by the planet changing it's position relative to the sun, or the sun may have been hotter? relative to the climate we are experiencing today. Gravity based on the distance Earth is and or Earth was to the sun may have been the relationship of distance and not mass to the sun. Tidal effects point to that effect. Syszgy (sp) points to that effect. The closer the object, the lesser the gravitational effect. Gravitation would be less not more because the centre of the earth would have less not more effect on the surface. The sun would be pulling the surface not pushing it away.
Jim Phelps was the inventor of the DOE's "Global Shield" Project, that is about aligning man's activities so that they support natural processes rather than destroy them and man with it. Global Shield is about how to use commercial aircraft to seed clouds that shield the planet from heat or IR radiation from the sun to induce a cooling effect that slows global warming.
Global Warming is being caused by man's negative influence on the atmosphere by allowing ozone depletion chemicals like CFCs, Freon, to damage the ozone layer and cause a rapid rise in the levels of UV-b radiation on the surface of the Earth.
The rise in UV-b reaching the surface of the Earth caused an upset in the way nature forms clouds that shield and reflect IR radiation from the sun. The UV-b has severely damaged the ocean's phytoplankton that make dimethyl sulfide (DMS), which is emitted from the oceans and goes toward making reflective clouds that keep the polar oceans and ice cool.
The phytoplankton associated emissions of DMS goes toward making DMSO rapidly in the atmosphere, which is a hygroscopic gas that seeds clouds that cool the surfaces of the world's oceans. As UV-b levels increased this process was damaged which caused a rise in the surface temperatures of polar oceans that in turn lead to loss of the ocean's abilities to take up CO-2 and sequester it from the atmosphere.
Jim Phelps spotted this prime factor that was causing Global Warming and the rise of CO-2 and H20 in the atmosphere in the mid-1980s at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The discovery and ideas made him the most famous of persons in the laboratory system. He found ways to make commercial aircraft make clouds that could compensate for the loss of clouds due to UV-b damage to the phytoplankton / cloud making systems.
The Global Shield Project uses the methods of Jim Phelps' "Air Pharmacolgy" or what is now popularly termed "Chemtrails" Science, which were all invented in Oak Ridge. Airborne large area operations like Global Shield also became titanium metals methods to offset illnesses and diseases in animal populations being caused by aluminum fluoride factors upsetting Pineal Gland and thyroid hormone processes. This compensates for BSE, Mad Cow, Scapie, and other animal illnesses.
These multiple atmospheric projects that Jim Phelps invented are now larger than the Manhattan Project itself and are designed to control the world's weather in order to compensate for man's environmental disasters from ozone depletion. Jim Phelps' discoveries led directly to satellites that globally map ozone depletion, map world UV-b levels, map world ocean's phytoplankton levels, and many other projects.
Several posters have suggested an experiment to find out what is in a CHEMTRAIL. The author of this piece code name Deep Shield committed suicide a week after his response to these questions was posted to the Internet.
I know it's long but that seems to be the only way to clear up all the questions.. My apologies..
Points to Ponder: The Shield Project.
Here we quote the communication from "Deep Shield":
Having read your email, I must say that you are full of questions. These questions I would dismiss immediately as being the frustrated attempts of fringe groups to bring a halt to the project, however these reports of biological material being part of the spray should be addressed. Therefore I will give as much attention to all of your questions as possible.
1. What purpose do polymer threads imbedded with biological material serve in this scenario?
Polymers are part of the mixture and they do form in threads and in `tufts'. The idea is simple and comes to us from the spider. As you may know spider webbing is very light, some newborn spiders spin a `parachute' to catch the prevailing breeze to travel far from their place of birth. Spiders have been able to attain high altitudes and travel great distances for long periods of time. Most of the elements used in the spray are heavier than air, even in their powdered form they are heavier and will sink quickly. Mixing them with the polymers suspends the particles in the atmosphere high above the surface for longer periods of time, therefore in theory we do not need to spray as often or as much material. Since the suspended particles eventually do settle into the lowest part of the atmosphere and are inhaled by all life forms on the surface there is an attempt to counter the growth of mold by adding to the mixture mold growth suppressants - some of which may be of biological material.
Mold comes in spores that travel on the winds; the polymers can attract mold spores through static charges created by the friction of the polymer threads and the atmosphere. Add a bit of warmth and moisture and mold begins to grow. The polymer is stored in a liquid form as two separate chemicals. When sprayed they combine behind the plane `spinning' long polymer chains (threads). Much tinkering has been done which the chemical matrix in past years. Many polymers (plastics) are non-biodegradable thus add to the problem of pollution. Various formula have been used, some which even use biological agents. It would be great if we could reproduce the same web material that spiders make, it is extremely strong, extremely lightweight and breaks down relatively fast in the ecology.
2. If this spraying is to mitigate global warming, why does so much of it take place at night?
Though it would appear that the dispersal rate of the spray is fast, it is actually takes much longer to be an effective shield. There is a desired concentration being sought. One that is thick enough to stem the UV and the Infrared, while being thin enough to allow visible light through. A perpetual cloud cover would have disastrous effects on plant life; the food chain thus disrupted would soon collapse. The desired effect wanted is a thin cover that would theoretically create a daytime haze that allows plenty of sunlight while providing protection. From UV radiation and also reflect enough infrared to maintain nominal temperatures.
The optimal condition is to use the least amount of material to provide the maximum amount of shielding. Ideally that would be a one-time application which would stay suspended for years, however, as noted, barium and aluminum and other trace elements are far heavier than air and they sink rather rapidly. The different temperatures between day and night causes massive volumes of air to rise during the night, the warm air trapped at the surface rises above the cooling air above. By strategically spraying in certain areas at night, we get the advantage of the rising air, which not only pushes the material higher, but also causes the material to disperse into a thin layer.
I would suggest studying on the subject of weather, namely highs and lows and how air moves to fully understand the times of spraying. I note, it is not just global warming we are combating here, we are also combating UV Summer. Global warming could effectively be treated by applications during the night, when the warm air rises. However the UV needs to be treated during the day. This is why on some days one finds that more spraying is done during the day. The UV indexes are monitored constantly for local areas. If the problem were simply cooling the earth, rockets would have been used to suspend particles in the high atmosphere. However the delicate nature of the Ozone Layer precludes this method of shielding. More on this in the answer to Question 6.
3. What other military programs are in place involving the spraying of barium and what are their purposes? Do you know and understand the chemical make up of the element?
A little knowledge will go a long way to understanding the need to use barium: Barium is often used in barium-nickel alloys for spark-plug electrodes and in vacuum tubes as a drying and oxygen-removing agent. Barium oxidizes in air, and it reacts vigorously with water to form the hydroxide, liberating hydrogen. In moist air it may spontaneously ignite. It burns in air to form the peroxide, which produces hydrogen peroxide when treated with water. Barium reacts with almost all of the nonmetals; all of its water-soluble and acid-soluble compounds are poisonous. Barium carbonate is used in glass, as a pottery glaze, and as a rat poison. Chrome yellow (barium chromate) is used as a paint pigment and in safety matches. The chlorate and nitrate are used in pyrotechnics to provide a green color. Barium oxide strongly absorbs carbon dioxide and water; it is used as a drying agent. Barium chloride is used in medicinal preparations and as a water softener. Barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to light; it is sometimes used as a paint pigment. Barite, the sulfate ore, has many industrial uses. Because barium sulfate is virtually insoluble in water and acids, it can be used to coat the alimentary tract to increase the contrast for X-ray photography without being absorbed by the body and poisoning the subject.
Note what Barium Oxide can do, absorb carbon dioxide - one of the chief gasses causing the green house effect. In my answer to Question 4 I will discuss the need to carry a current in the shield. I would like to point out that barium and aluminum work together to diffuse and strengthen an electrical charge. Somewhat like the current produced when acid is introduced between two dissimilar metals, such as iron and copper. There are military applications for everything you can think of, can not a butter knife be used as a weapon? The same concept holds true here.
4. What is the connection between ELF, EMF, VLF and Chemtrails spraying? Or is there one?
To understand the use of radio waves in the shield, one first understands how ozone is created. I cannot stress to you how dire the situation really is. The shield in place is only a partial solution; we must counter the depletion of the ozone- this means we must make ozone in the stratosphere. Ozone at ground levels does no good; indeed, ozone pollution at ground levels it what is used to determine the air quality. Higher levels of ground level ozone mean that air quality is bad. Pure ozone is an unstable, faintly bluish gas with a characteristic fresh, penetrating odor. The gas has a density of 2.144 grams per liter at standard temperature and pressure. Below its boiling point (-112?) ozone is a dark blue liquid; below its melting point (-193?) it is a blue-black crystalline solid. Ozone is triatomic oxygen, O3, and has a molecular weight of 47.9982 atomic mass units (amu). It is the most chemically active form of oxygen. It is formed in the ozone layer of the stratosphere by the action of solar ultraviolet light on oxygen. Although it is present in this layer only to an extent of about 10 parts per million, ozone is important because its formation prevents most ultraviolet and other high-energy radiation, which is harmful to life, from penetrating to the earth's surface. Ultraviolet light is absorbed when its strikes an ozone molecule; the molecule is split into atomic and diatomic oxygen: 03+ ultraviolet light ->0+02. Later, in the presence of a catalyst, the atomic and diatomic oxygen reunite to form ozone.
Ozone is also formed when an electric discharge passes through air; for example, it is formed by lightning and by some electric motors and generators. Ozone is produced commercially by passing dry air between two concentric-tube or plate electrodes connected to an alternating high voltage; this is called the silent electric discharge method. Since UV radiation is the problem, we can not use UV to produce more stratospheric ozone. Another method must be found. The shield acts like one plate of the electrode, when tickled with certain radio waves; it produces an opposite charge to stratospheric layers producing low atmosphere to stratosphere lightening. Creating ozone where it is needed.
5. If this is being done for the reasons you say, then why are other chemicals being used, why are different sprays being used?
Correcting the ecological damage that mankind has done has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. We are relatively new to this notion of terraforming on a real scale. That is what we are doing, Terraforming. We are trying to recreate the ideal life-sustaining conditions on a dying planet. We have never done this before, not intentionally. We are testing and trying different methods. Granted, if we do nothing 89% of all species will go extinct and humanity stands a high chance of not surviving through two more generations (or less). However the idea of 2 billion casualties death and permanent injury is not easy to swallow either.
Several attempts to improve the application of Shielding material and getting the most out of each application are taking place all the time. The combined resources of the nations of earth are not enough to allow constant spraying. Though we have achieved a high level of technology, there is a great surface area that needs to be covered nearly daily. Large sections of ocean are all but ignored; the remaining land masses are more than what can be covered effectively. The Shield would work best if it was a single thin layer without interruption, however due to the movement of air, weather patterns and the sad fact that we do not have the means to place ample amounts of material at the same level at the same time we are getting a small fraction of the effectiveness from our applications.
6. Why is spraying found before storm fronts? Is it to cause drought?
Before a storm there is a front, the front clears the air before a storm, pushing particulate matter ahead of it, leaving a space relatively clear of particulate matter. UV radiation levels rise in these areas, sometimes to dangerous levels. The shield must be maintained. Since barium absorbs water as well as carbon dioxide, precipitation has been affected. Other kinds of sprays are in development and testing which may reduce the affects on precipitation. As I stated above, this is a new technology we are working with, it is still in its infancy and there are some problems with it.
7. Why are UFO's and disappearing spray planes reported?
I do not know.
8. What about the reports of sickness after spraying?
There are several causatives for this. Some people are more sensitive to metals, whiles others are sensitive to the polymer chemicals. As stated in a previous email, people will get sick, and some will die. It is estimated that 2 billion worldwide will be affected to some degree by the spraying. Without spraying we have a 90% + chance of becoming extinct as a species with in the next 20 years.
9. What is the relationship between these spraying programs and One World Order?
Personally I am against the move for globalization, and yes, there is potential to use the Shield to speed up the process of globalization, there are several countries that are involved in this project: European Union Nations, USA and Russia are the largest contributors to the project, many of the allied nations and UN Members participate to one extent or another. The material (chemical spray as you may call it) comes from all of these nations.
To insure that the chemicals are not tampered with, they are mixed and sprayed over random nations. This means that chemicals produced in the USA has a good chance of being sprayed over Russia, England and the USA. This random spray of material means that no nation would be certain that their chemicals will be sprayed over a nation which they have issues with. Russian planes may be seen in USA skies, but so too will USA planes be seen in Russian skies. The canisters used are sealed in a third nation that has no idea where its canister is going. Participating nations have their observers at every station where canister loading is done. All of this to insure that the shield is not used as a weapon. To further insure that the shield is not used as a weapon, non participant nations are sprayed by participants who must spray in order to get enough material to maintain their nations shield. It is understood that not spraying is as much a military offense as shooting at them.
Without the shield, UV poisoning would cause great death. The threat is a common one, which has brought nations together in defense. The natural outcome of having a common enemy is to strengthen international ties - a step toward globalization.
10. Is the Spraying related to terrorism?
Yes and no. Recent terrorist activity can be traced to resistance groups who feel that we should not interfere with the natural order of things. As you know, there are many rumors out there as to what the Shield Program is. Some believe that this is a population reduction scheme, designed to kill off 'undesirable' peoples. While others hold that this is a mind control program. There are many theories which have sinister plots in them these are propagated by the resistance groups in an attempt to stop the shield regardless of the consequences.
The same delivery method could be used for biological and chemical warfare. It could also be used to inoculate large populations, the effectiveness of these uses are low, there are better methods that can be used. As a means to fight terrorism it is ineffectual, it is far easier to inoculate a population individually and would insure full inoculation against germ warfare.
11. Why all the secrecy?
Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.
UV Summer and Global Warming are the immediate problems we face, there are far greater problems that are raising their ugly heads and will present new problems which in some cases have no viable solutions at this time. Ecologies are collapsing. The extinction rate of species is climbing. The amount of chemical pollutants in the water and soil are fast approaching and in many places has surpassed the earth's ability to heal itself. Crop failure is on the rise, even in the USA the returns on crops are smaller than they were 10 years ago. Even with the advances in genetically altered food crops, we are falling behind in our ability to produce enough to go around. Throughout the 20th century chemical fertilizers and pesticides were used to insure the best yields. Unfortunately many of these have contaminated ground water, killed beneficial insects along with the undesirable insects. These chemicals have gotten into the food chain and are affected other species besides mankind. It is only a matter of years before famine spreads like a cancer throughout the world.
Clean fresh water is in short supply, in many places well water is non-potable, containing the run off of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that have been used on crops and lawns. The water treatment facilities we have are unable to scrub out all of the toxins we have placed in the soil and water supply. Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records. For decades there was public outcry for the end to pollution. For every small step we made to clean up our production, millions where born who added to the problem. Yes, pollution is down per individual, however there are a couple more billion individuals producing pollution, thus the real numbers have an increase in over all pollution produced. Name a city that does not have problems with smog. You would be hard pressed to find one. Though smog controls on automobiles is higher than ever before, the number of autos on the road has increased thus the amount of smog producing pollutants is higher than ever before. All the clean air acts passed to curb individual factory and auto emissions did not address the production of more factories and more autos. Here an uneasy compromise was made between the need to maintain the economy against the need to maintain the ecology. The ecology lost since it was estimated to be a problem decades from now. The economy was a problem that would have dire effects today.
All of these factors combined have produced a scenario that in shorts boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years. Even if we were to stop all emissions of pollution today, the inertia of past decades is enough to carry us over the brink in 100 years. However we cannot stop the production of pollution, to do so would mean shutting down every factory, every auto, every train, truck, ship and every household on the planet. Electricity is used to heat many homes in the Western World. The production of electricity produces fewer pollutants than heating all homes with wood or coal. Cutting our power generation abilities down to hydroelectric and fission reactors would leave a good chunk of the world in the dark. It is an impossible situation, our civilization is geared to the use of energy, take away our energy and civilization will collapse.
12. When will spraying stop?
There are several factors governing this:
A. Should the Ozone layer repair itself or our active attempts at repair reduces the amount of ground level UV to acceptable levels, spraying will stop. Present calculations place this between 2018 and 2024.
B. Should another method be found which is more effective, less costly or presents us with long-term solutions the Shield project would be replaced.
C. When the other problems become too big to make the maintenance of the shield worth the effort. The estimated date for this is 2025 to 2050.
13. Since Global Warming and UV summer are the problem, why is the Government backing down on its pollution controls?
Because they are ineffectual and will cause more economic problems than they would solve ecological problems. We surpassed the threshold of Earth's ability to absorb pollutants in the 1970's. Since that time the earth's population has nearly doubled. Emerging Industrial nations have come into being, more pollutants are produced now than back then, even with the stringent controls in place. The world is heading for economic depression, more emission controls would add to the economic problems. This translates into our being unable to do anything to start solving the problems.
Unfortunately our technologies require a strong economy to advance. We need that advancement, we need the trillions of dollars spent on research that a strong economy causes. Each corporation that produces a product has a product development program in place. Many of the past products invented came by accident through other unrelated products. There is a corporate drive to find methods to clean up the ecology, to reduce emissions, etc. These goals have been in place for decades, many of the large corporations are in the know when it comes to the ecological problems we face thus they are spending a great deal of money and time on finding solutions to the problems we face. Take away the economy and their research stops.
14. How are you related to the Chemtrails? How do you know that this is what is happening?
I would prefer to not state who I am or how I am related to all of this. To validate what I say, would require a bit of research on your behalf. I would recommend the following subjects to look up and study:
A. Population numbers for industrial nations and the tons of pollutants produced annually. Start with 1975 and work your way up.
B. Number of emerging Industrial Nations.
C. Number of cases of Skin cancers worldwide.
D. Crop Production vs. land area dedicated to crop production. Simple math will show that more acreage is needed to produce food per individual.
E. Automobile production from 1975 to present, estimated number of autos on the road and the average emissions of later model cars produced as compared the emissions of earlier model cars. A little math will show that though individual autos produce less emissions, the amount of emissions has risen due to the number of autos on the road. Remember that many autos are the road that were built before present emission control standards. 1980 is a cut off date - anything put on the road before then produces more pollutants than autos produced today. I would include research in the number of diesel autos produced, diesel has not been under the emissions control acts.
F. Severity of storms and the number of severe storms. Also include heat waves and droughts in that research, you will find that the numbers are staggering when compared to data from 1950, 1960 and 1970.
G. Research how naturally occurring Ozone is produced in the stratosphere. Compare to how it is produced industrially.
H. Research political reforms in the past 30 years, see which political institutions have changed, which nations have joined with whom. Concentrate more on these from 1982 onward. This would include the fall of the Wall and Iron Curtain.
I. Research polymers and how they are made, look at recent research done in biological polymers, medical polymers and filaments.
J. Check out spiders and spider web and the way spiders use their different webs and threads.
K. Research clean fresh water estimates as compared to the 1970's to today - world wide.
L. Research the following medical conditions per capita: Birth Defects Cancers Leukemia Immune deficiency diseases (excluding virus borne ID illnesses such as HIV) Occurrences of Learning disabilities, including dyslexia, ADD, and over all IQ tests Sterility for both male and females world wide Instances of glaucoma and cataracts.
M. Compare the history of UV indexes from 1970 to present. You may note that it was on sharp rise until 1997-99.
N. I would strongly recommend researching the reactions of different barium and aluminum compounds and how they are used. Research how long it takes for these metals in pure form to oxidize, how they combine with nitrates, carbon monoxide carbon dioxide and fluorocarbons and hydrocarbons and water vapor.
O. Research how mold propagates, the conditions it needs to grow and just how abundant it is in the atmosphere.
If you pursue these lines of inquiry, you will see the Shield Project as it really is.
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At the time of the US-lead invasion of Iraq I had the opportunity to ask a few supplementary questions. There has been no attempt to integrate these questions and answers into the previous section therefore some may appear somewhat out of logical order.
A couple of the questions have a Canadian approach. By the way, I came up with the name - have to call the source something!
Here we quote the further communication from "Deep Shield":
15. Could you, "Deep Shield" - be described as a scientist or...?
Scientist is a good generic term. I do study and research in a scientific manner. I carry papers and degrees. My official capacity is in direct research of atmospheric issues in relation to pollutants. I also create models of potential long-term effects of green house gasses on the climate. Predict wind patterns, weather patterns, etc.
I have spent a good many years working on the project calculating the amount of material needed and creating models for dispersion patterns. I work other members who know the chemicals used and their interactions with the atmosphere, pollution and water vapor. I am part of a team which itself is part of a larger team, which is part of still a larger team. Government work with many chiefs and levels above the workers.
16. Are you prepared to comment upon your personal motives for sharing this information?
Not at this time, no.
17. Have you signed a non-disclosure or Secrets Act document that specifically relates to this project?
Yes.
18. To your knowledge what categories of individuals officially know of the Project and are expected to remain silent? For example, my list of suspects includes government down to the county level, military especially air force, meteorologists, health specialists, mainstream media etc.
All those who know are expected to remain silent. All of those who suspect are either faced with trying to prove the virtually unprovable or are faced with good enough reasons to remain silent. I would assume that this situation is worldwide and could be considered one of the dangers of this project.
It was presented to me as a matter of national security. I can see the reasons why there is a desire to repress the information not that spraying is taking place but the hard little fact that we are facing a period of human history which might be the end of civilization.
19. Is the mainstream controlled media specifically ordered to avoid any mention of chemtrails? If so, have you anything further to add such as how was this done?
I would assume that the Media is controlled by its own desire to make money from what it reports. Since there is enough debunking out there, which says that contrails are part of the normal use of jet engines in the atmosphere, this would leave a reporter with very little to report unless there was solid evidence or pictures or something that could not be explained away.
You must know by now all the debunking methods that have been employed. The 'official' announcements are the media's main dish. The rest they regulate to the realm of the National Enquirer.
20. What government agency or agencies control this program? Is it under international control?
It is an international program. Many nations contribute in different ways. Measures have been taken to insure that what is sprayed over all countries is the same through triple blind deliveries; which include not knowing where a certain canister will end up, not knowing which aircraft a certain canister will be flown, and not even knowing who (in military craft) will be piloting a craft which has the purpose of spraying (Note: in today's world there is usually a mixed crew of different nationalities flying any one military aircraft on a Shield mission). I believe the Media caught Canadians in Iraq recently when Canada's official say on the matter was that Canada was not giving any support to the military might.
The fact remains that there were Canadian military with the USA forces. Some on aircraft carriers most being pilots. I think you can connect the dots.
21. How is the project funded - who pays for it? Have you any idea of the total direct operating cost? Also, does Canada make a funding contribution for the activities in our skies?
Most governments tend to over charge themselves to cover for their black operations (unofficial operations). That money comes out of the collection of taxes. So in effect the taxpayers of the world are paying for this project.
I would assume Canada does contribute funding to the Project. Canada is one of the top nations contributing time, material and funding to this project. Most of the Free World, the Western World, has taken on most of the burden of the costs.
22. Is the Shield Project the only such aerial spraying program?
Is it the only project designed to avert ecological disaster? Then yes. There are countless other projects that could be taking place which include spraying of some sort or another. Pesticides are usually sprayed. There has been great interest in weather control such as bringing rain to arid regions and taking the punch out of hurricanes and typhoons.
Weather control may be one of the final options left to us. Considering the amount of global warming that has taken place. There is a strong need to deflect a storm's fury, or to bring rain back to those regions which have been suffering drought.
What Mother Nature has done for millions of years automatically may now require mankind's hand to keep the schedule.
23. There are reports of four different chemtrail programs and other "code" names. For example, see: Holmestead: Chemtrails - what are they? Any comments?
It is possible that the Military does have a use for similar sprays. I cannot speak for the Military. However, my own personal research has come across these things as well. Are they possible? Yes. Are they practical? Only in the small scale say over the battlefield, or in the case of say the Iraq War, over Baghdad. Global application would be far too expensive and would require an obvious flight pattern of grids, circles and other heavy spray patterns.
24. Is all the spraying done using the "tank kits" described earlier or are the KC-135R and KC-10 types filled to the brim? Such aircraft have a load capacity of 200,000 pounds or more for refueling missions.
No. Several types of craft are used. Commercial jet airliners are used and they are not diverted from their flight paths to do so. How the canisters and the spraying is done on this kind of craft is unknown to me exactly. I do have my suspicions. I know best that which is my field; this is not to say that we do not talk around the water tank. So I know more than just my area and am able to think the matter through to its logical end.
I do know that even all the commercial jetliners in use are not enough to insure complete coverage all of the time. My computer models require knowing how much material needs to be sprayed. Certain conditions cause wide areas to suddenly (over hours) open up in the Shield. Then and only then is mass spraying done - and would be done with the most logical craft, a tanker.
Why not spray more from individual jetliners? That is one of the problems. Jetliners do not carry much material (100 to 500 gallons) because the material has to be spread out thinly.
Look at the kinds of material being used, aluminum, barium, titanium, etc. Most are highly reflective; in some instances the material is an absorber of gasses. In the case of reflection the desire is to reflect X amount of heat and X amount of UV while still maintaining acceptable (nominal) levels of UV and heat reaching the planet's surface.
Life requires a certain amount of both UV and Heat too much will kill - so will too little. The apparent amount looks like a lot more than what is actually being sprayed per volume of air it is covering. Most of the whitening of the sky is not the material per se, but the collection of water vapor, which forms into suspended ice crystals. The introduction of the material causes the water vapor to collect like rain collects on individual particles of dust.
Too much material would cause a "mud fall" of sorts where the naturally occurring water vapor would precipitate carrying the material with it.
Spraying is done in such away as to "layer" the material through a volume that will allow an acceptable level of UV and heat through along with all the other wavelengths of light. Photosynthesis is the foundation of life on our planet.
Only when all the material is removed in a local area does it require a massive spray, this is usually in the front of a weather system, or after a heavy period of precipitation. Then a tanker is flown, fully loaded.
25. Is there any truth in the story that some of the spraying is done by jetliners with modifications in the "honey" or waste compartment? For example, see mechanic story: Mechanic.
The technology used for spraying is rather simple. It requires at least two tanks under pressure, each carries half of the mixture which is sprayed at the same time forming a complete compound which is designed to be lightweight (so as to be suspended for longer periods of time).
There have been attempts to incorporate the materials in jet fuel, however the material binds with unburned jet fuel, water vapor, etc and does not have the added buoyancy of the polymer threads. The end result is a spray that is less than half as effective and is more dangerous since it can lead to sulfates, acids and other mixtures, which are more lethal than the spray.
It is very possible that the "honey" compartment is used. The amount of material needed is small compared to the payload of any given commercial airliner.
However, there is a good deal of fuel tank that is not used. Airliners only fuel their craft for the journey ahead of them; they rarely top off the tank. This has become public knowledge in light of 9-11. It was this small fact that caused the terrorists to pick pan-continental flights so they would have a plane fully loaded.
The majority of flights are short range and do not require the full capacity of an airliners fuel tanks. Any adaptations needed could easily be done during routine maintenance, and could be easily explained away as being a modification for safety and-or pollution controls.
This last is my own theory.
We can assume that any means possible to deliver the material is tried. Independent nations may favor one way of doing so over another.
26. Where are the official sources that state that a certain number of people (worldwide?) will sicken and possibly die as a result of the spraying? In other words, what *internal* studies have been done on the health issues and who carried them out?
WHO (World Health Organization) carried out most of the studies. Other nations have carried their own research on the matter. Some have said the ill effects will be minimal - along the lines of a million or so, while others have found the numbers to be far higher - 3 to 4 billion.
Some of the organizations include the CDC and independent labs. We are dealing with a situation where the amount of contamination is estimated to be far higher than what would normally take place but is far lower than historical instances of industrial contamination. This is important to note, the only real history we have with barium/aluminum/titanium etc. contamination is through factory workers, miners, etc, who receive a far greater dosage of the material than what is to be experienced by the populace under the Shield.
The amount of spray is very small compared to the volume of the space that is covered. Most of the harmful chemicals that are used are being dissipated over vast areas. Near coastal regions the fall out is not reaching land at all, but is being carried out to the oceans. The addition of polymers to make the material remain suspended in the air longer means that less material is being used.
Today the material used and its application is nothing like in the early days when it was sprayed in greater quantities and settling far faster to be inhaled by all.
The accepted Estimated Casualties (from WHO) is 2 billion over the course of 6 decades. The majority will be either the elderly, or those who are prone to respiratory problems. These numbers are based on the current estimates of the general health of the population, the average age and the occurrence of respiratory problems as a health issue. All are estimates since there are no solid numbers to work with.
27. Could you summarize the root causes of the initial destruction of the atmosphere that requires this "repair" work? Did it perhaps result in part from fluorides released/produced by the nuclear weapons programs?
In a word - Industry. Most fail to understand that the products we use, wear and live with are made in a manner that dumps CFC's and green houses gasses into the atmosphere. There is no one single causative in this issue. It goes way back to the Industrial Revolution and the use of coal to power steam engines. Since that time we have consumed greater and greater energy resources, dumping the waste where ever we wanted.
Up until very recently refrigeration was a big contributor, imagine all those hundreds of millions of households that owned and operated freon cooled refrigerators from 1940 to 1970. Not just one refrigerator per household, but over the course of time often multiple freon units. This doesn't include the various air conditioner systems or industrial refrigeration systems.
For a long period when the refrigerator or air conditioner unit was replaced, the old one was taken to the dump and thrown into the heap - the freon was free to escape and make its way up into the stratosphere to eat away at the ozone layer.
You can add to that list. Think of all the cars that had air conditioners, think of all those hair spray cans with their propellant gasses - the amount of those alone were enough to do great damage.
Styrofoam is another industry and product that has contributed to the problem. In the scheme of things atomic energy has contributed little compared to the consumer goods that have been manufactured during the past century.
Think of all the cars on the road today. In the late 1970's smog controls started getting stronger. Think of all the pre-1978 cars on the road - they are still producing a good many chemicals that leech into every corner of the globe.
28. Have you any comment on the use of so-called "CloudBusters" based upon the theories of Wilhelm Reich? For an example of this see: CloudBuster.
I could go on for hours about the particular errors of this site. (15 September 2005: Note that due to misunderstanding of this answer by some it is necessary to make clear that this reference by DS is to the: CloudBuster web site mentioned in the question.) Let us just cut to the chase: I seriously doubt that this machine does as it is reported to do. I could be wrong, but then I do not work with alternative energy sources such as Orgone energy.
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Points to Ponder: Conroy Penner, British Columbia.
Here is the second item mentioned above:
Conroy Penner, of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada contacted me directly with his story. He told me that some years ago he used to work for a certain company in Western Canada and along with another person who was a qualified aerospace welder/fabricator he was assigned to work on construction of some special spray equipment for the United States Air Force.
The workers were told that the USAF contract involved equipment to be used to spray insects at airforce bases in the States. The spray systems incorporated exotic alloys and specially machined parts with large holding, pressure and surge tanks along with pumps. Penner became suspicious of the actual purpose of the whole project as, in his opinion, things simply did not "add up". He resigned after there were confrontations with the US military people and the management over the true purpose of the equipment.
Penner provided this photograph, that was taken in 1988 of some finished spray equipment on a flat bed trailer. There are parts carts in the foreground.
The description states that the green tank sections are coated aluminum and the others are stainless steel for certain other chemicals. The smaller tanks are for the solution for purging the system. The large tanks are some 15 feet long and approximately 3 feet in diameter. The box seen at the right side of the photograph is the control panel, and the plumbing and pumps are underneath the tanks. It is said that these units were designed for use with Hercules C-130 aircraft and it is understood that in total eleven systems were to be made, this being the first.
I have on hand many other specifics from Penner but that is the general outline. All of this took place in 1988/89.
Comments: There are obviously some problems with this - it would be great to have the exact dates along with the names of the company management involved. Also the names and rank of the US military personnel involved is lacking.
As for the equipment itself - it looks much as if it could be ordinary aerial spraying systems - that is because indeed it may be just that with suitable modifications for the specialized USAF requirements. At this time the aerial spraying programme (chemtrails) was in the early stages of experimental development. Certainly at first it was reported that the C-130 was seen being used for aerial spraying (of unknown substances) and only later were the large refueling tankers seen spraying "chemtrails".
Further comments: Added 26 March 2003 - is an addition from (and confirmed by) the source of the main item above.
The canisters that are shown above are similar to what is known to be incorporated into this programme.
Two large ones are carried, one carrying one part of the chemical mix, the other carrying the other part, when combined they form long polymer chains - threads if you will. Even the green tint finish is typical.
However, the way it is understood here, is that the small tank provides the propellant (compressed gas) which is released into the larger tank. Much like a large aerosol can, except the compressed gas is stored in a separate tank which is much stronger, and able to sustain a far greater pressure than a larger tank.
Further confirmation of this particular aerial spray system is found at this United States Air Force Reserve, 910th Airlift Wing of Youngstown, Ohio website: Air Force Reserve - MASS. Plus, here is a second Air Force web site showing the MASS in use for aerial spraying. These pages will open in a separate window and may be kept open, minimized or closed to return here. Here the first page is quoted in part:
"Six Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS) are available at the 910 AW to conduct aerial spray missions.
Each system can be configured with up to four 500 gallon tanks for a total volume of 2000 gallons.
USAF C-130 MODULAR AERIAL SPRAY SYSTEM (MASS)
The Aircraft. Four C-130H aircraft are modified to perform aerial application. Modifications consist mostly of ULV (Ultra-Low Volume) and LV (Low Volume) wing line installation and electrical modifications.
Spray System. The MASS is built by Lockheed/Conair. One of the major design criteria of the MASS was that it had to be a "roll-on/roll-off" system allowing the aircraft to be reconfigured for spray or airlift in under an hour. To accommodate the Roll-on/Roll-off design, the full MASS is designed in 3 modules, each attached to modified standard (463L) aircraft cargo pallets. The operators console, pumps, catwalks, and cradles for flush and chemical tanks are all secured to these modified pallets. The pallets lock into the C-130's dual rail system. Once the MASS is loaded, interconnecting plumbing and electrical circuits tie the MASS modules together. To contain any spillage of spray materials, a 1.5" lip (drip pan) surrounds the pallets. The dry weight of the MASS is ca. 10,500 lbs."
The 910 Airlift Wing webpage continues with more technical and operational details.
ericswan...
> DJB.. watched Loose Change and posted to this blog..months ago.
Good....right :-)
As to the chemtrail article....I'll be checking that out soon. I can't help thinking
of Bush talking about their 'technological solution' to climate change.
Jasgrave333...
> DjB, da point is in mi online mental blog sparing, the truth is loud. The Bu$h is naked.
Don't let me stop you ! I hav'nt met you in person, Jas, so I might have been mis-
measuring your 'anger quotient'.
Bush reminds me of some kind of nexus of matrix code, a sort of central 'stupid
machine' that unfortunate souls are put through !?
DJBarney
I posted the whole article on Chemtrails as I felt it should be documented. I just finished reading it again and thought some of you would like to see the pix. Follow the link...
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html
Yeps, DjB, just get a 'little' "irate" at times :)
flippin heck eric, got Square eyes, but got through it all, so the article is saying, it's nescesary cos the UV would wipe us all out otherwise oh and it's experimental... (PS don't breath whilst it's going on...)
not seen any spraying here in the Caribbean, but then the rays are pure sunshine mon... [G-Deck set to max factor 7... and smoky...] [hifff...]
And another good ting, yeah ta meet up in the Omni, mi tink Eric said that...
...St Kitt's would be a good place for da first SHODDIE convention...
A SHODDIE Party, real rum... :D
...(wrappers included...)...
but then I'm biassed :P
good idea DjB, loads of good beach bars here... [hic...]
...St Kitt's would be a good place for da first SHODDIE convention...
A SHODDIE Party, real rum... :D
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Jas, your whoop whoop blog is pure torture. Nothing but pictures of heaven on earth, St Kitts. And the REAL doobies, aye :)))
Even if couldnt make it, be sure I'll be there in Spirit. The 80 proof kind :D
bless you all and have a good weekend :)
:D
Otherside, it's gotten better, spring here has been well amazin...
flowers bloomin and da heat is getting more heated...
Tropical plants are growin fast, as well as da good Green :)
Let me know when ya all had enough weather updates :))
[fillin up mi tropical rum drink...] sigh...
As a slightly whacky side topic, coincidently, both mine and my wifeys motor burst a car tyre within the same day the MRO's wheel stopped working...
6 wheels on that eh... WTF?
...had only 6 good wheels between she and I, both our spares where out too... 'coincidence'... [hifff...]
Wow eric,
That read on Deep Shield was really good. I am going to take his word for it as I really wish I had the time to research the points he made. Thanks for posting it eric. I vote you NOT to get the PH Award for that. You get a mulligan sir! :)
Hey jas,
Missed ya man, you been out windsurfing? Almost thought ya wuz MIA, there wasn't even any smoke coming from the G Deck dude! :P
Thanks for the link eric.
Wayne
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flowers bloomin and da heat is getting more heated...
We had Snow today - but the birds are singing in the morning. They are on schedule for restarting the life cycle here.
What does an ID, any ID, do for security? Relying on ID for security purposes actually makes things worse. Showing ID only affects honest people. If you're dishonest, you can obtain false documents or steal the identity of an honest person.
If a 19 year-old college student can get a fake ID to drink, why couldn't a bad person get one, too? And no matter how sophisticated the security embedded into the ID, wouldn't a well-financed terrorist be able to falsify that, too? The answer to both questions is obviously 'yes'.
The Carnival Booth effect, as described by researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, means that terrorists can probe an ID security system by sending a number of people on innocent trips through the system and noting who is flagged for extra searches and who isn't. They then send only those who the system doesn't flag on terrorist missions.
The fact of the matter is that demands for ID do nothing for security while making honest Americans less free.
Ericswan,
Those were some VERY long posts...but no Peckerhead Award for you, that was some very interesting reading. If that guy is feeding us crap, it seems to be some very GOOD crap! Bravo! Good find!
T and other CTers...next time you see the trails, see what the UV index is/was for your area..DS seems to indicate that is the big consideration.
Again, Bravo, eric. :)
Anonymous,
good points on ID!
WE CONTROL AMERICA
“EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME
AMERICA WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT...
I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR:
DON’T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL.
WE THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA,
AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT.”
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
Note: The above statement has been censored from all Jewish controlled media.
interesting quote, bio!
Hey jas, thanks for the kudos.
Time to hit the sack...g'nite crew!
eric,
thnx for chemtrail post, and for zapruder.
barney, yes saw loose change and yes good thnx.
re Charlie Sheen story, Alex Jones says he (Jones) has lotsa friends in Hollywood and a number are of them are considering speaking up too. Hollywood must be lit up and buzzing about this story ! AJ Hammer, the CNN guy seems to be supportive of Alex Jones, or he would not give him the platform to rant and announce his websites.
Sheen said something like its just the beginning.
There's gotta be plenty of Hollywooders that agree with Sheen...
Ed Asner was in on the groundfloor calling for truth about 9-11, but unfortunately, to be popular, you need to look desirable AND not have sex. Especially not oral sex from a Jewish intern on Easter.
Interesting the Faux Channel didn't blink an eye when it was revealed that Bill O'Reilly gave non-consensual phone sex to a creeped-out Associate Producer.
I'm more concerned about Alex Jones being a shill than Charlie Sheen. However, if Ed Asner isn't sexy enough and Charlie Sheen is, but likes sex ... then who should we cheer for ?
The funny thing about criticizing Hollywood : to be on Faux TV and complain about "stars" is hypocritical - unless Faux isn't entertainment. If Faux is the media arm of the Republican Party (as it proves itself to be everyday) then of course they're going to see no conflict with attacking the "stars" who have an opinion.
The only thing worse than a star with an opinion .... a non-star with a half-baked opinion. Actors reading Republican talking points - Hey Bill O'Reilly : who's really the actor-vist ? Who is using face-time on TV to change people's political opinions ?
Bunch of bottom feeders - the jealousy dripping off their criticism is not noticed because - well, who notices Faux TV anyways ?
You people want the TRUTH?
It gets messy for a Crypto Zionist. I can sense a Political "Night of the Long Knives" occurring soon - similar to what happened to Sejanus when his treachery toward Tiberius was revealed.
"It's Cool to be Jewish - except now that we have found out what happened"
"September 11 wasn't the Zapruder film, it was the Zapruder film festival,"
I vote to make Charlie Sheen Pontiff of the Church of Pissed Off public !!
People lusting for rapture are crypto-zionists ... because propping up Israel is God's Work, it says so in the Bible. If Armageddon doesn't happen, the chosen ones won't be raptured into heaven (perish the thought).
I can admit that the legislators in Congress can be relied upon to REACT in a certain way - but I can't imagine them ACTING of their own volition. Someone seated at the top of a state-sponsored terrorist network (like Mossad), might feel they have control because they can stage/orchestrate events that Congress will react to.
Crypto..what do you think of the concept of the warmer planet being closer to the sun but having less gravity?
I hadn't thought about the distance to the sun being different. I had thought about Mars, Venus or an "X" planet affecting gravity on Earth. The tusks of an elephant go up to the knee of a brontosaurus - tidal lock would only affect gravity when it was visible overhead. So, I disregarded theories that didn't change gravity because I reasoned that the dinosaurs probably stood up all day.
The Earth having a smaller mass, or perhaps being more dense could expand over time and accrete water to become the big blue marble we have today. If animals can change from dinosaurs to mammals in a given amount of time - why can't gravity ? It's not like anyone can say, "well, all the other planets we've lived on were not expanding" ...
I lean towards smaller mass. Water in the sky would reduce the mass of the Earth - but is it significant ? Could that water in solid form, pressurize the atmosphere and THAT somehow enabled the dinosaurs to stand up ? MAybe they had helium in their veins ?
Cult Archaeology had alot to do with the questions we currently have about Ancient Earth.
Stories like this make it easy to follow the Expanding Earth hypothesis ...
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,405947,00.html
Wayne;
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Hey jas,
Missed ya man, you been out windsurfing?
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Wayne, da Caribbean tropical weather has been soo darn nice [hollo program, max factor 7 with sun chairs and waitress service...], been kind of admiring it a lot, from behind mi sun-shades... and rum-fruit punch mixes...
and spliff :D
am here, reading and reading and reading and reading and...
so much to just say Aye too.
I mean, what is there to argue, we've each proved by being here over time, that disclosure could happen at any second, each news story so, so close to revealing something related to a link or a thought on our ship here...
But bro, am def here, smokin, and grokking (which teks da most time) da inspirations...
ya further say;
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Almost thought ya wuz MIA, there wasn't even any smoke coming from the G Deck dude! :P
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Bredren, there's always smoke comin off da G-Deck, ya must have gotten desensitised to it's sweet smell... here have a toke...
passin da spliffs round.
like, mi was sayin earlier, da weather here is perfect... sigh, a light rain at night, with deep clear blue skies and warm caribbean seas... tourquoise blue... happy sigh...
hi hi hi...
B_U
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We had Snow today - but the birds are singing in the morning. They are on schedule for restarting the life cycle here.
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yeps, but da birds gotta be getting confused, (the ones that are left, and haven't been UV fried or HAARPiheated; pre-storm anomaly)...
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Anonymous said...
What does an ID, any ID, do for security? Relying on ID for security purposes actually makes things worse. Showing ID only affects honest people. If you're dishonest, you can obtain false documents or steal the identity of an honest person.
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you raise excellent points;
mi like this tho, to summarise it;
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The fact of the matter is that demands for ID do nothing for security while making honest Americans less free.
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Making it a crime to be human without; PAPERS!!!
'''j...'$ little Ge$tapo paradi$e coming true...
I tinks the icon of outright selfish evil, just got it's new face, hitler was the previous vestage of hiddeosity.
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Hey jas, thanks for the kudos.
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da pirates of da high www's
hi hi hi...
talking of which, Eric, does this look like it makes sense;
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hmmmmmmmm
just thinkin out loud...
Uni;
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There's gotta be plenty of Hollywooders that agree with Sheen...
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I bet; I mean, how many of these characters, have seen the special affects used on their own films or been involved with the structural stunt engineers who know a thing or two about buildings?
I mean, these Hollywood types, don't get to be stars without knowing a thing or too about faking it.
I'll put a wager on that... if Sheen get's popular, other stones will roll...
It just takes one loud voice, at the right moment... (and for all that have still been talking loudly between records at a party in teen years, know what I'm talking about...)
Crypto2;
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Bunch of bottom feeders - the jealousy dripping off their criticism is not noticed because - well, who notices Faux TV anyways ?
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Ya know, I wasn't surprised to find out that old misfiring Cheney, is an avid watcher of his partie$ favoured new$ channel.
Every hotel he 'resides' in whilst conducting business, is requested to pretune all the TV's to FOX.
Doesn't that cause some kind of BS loopback in his narrow vissioned mind?
Hearing Steve Doocy prattling on with a hairspray combover, and the week twit who sits next to him, chanting party lines and ra-ra'ing for Bu$h and eejits... is nauseating.
I mean, Katrina victims still lost and spun to the four corners of U$A, and FaOuXe new$ reporting Natalie Holloway stll...
WTF???
I mean, What the fuck???
Natalie Holloway, after fires/floods/droughts have eaten America. fierce storms, winds pestilence, and FaOuXe is still reporting Natallie Hollaway...
What the fuck???
You know, I just watch it to feel a little sick from time to time, to compare the mindless morons to the rest of the reports daily.
If "Dick" Cheney, you are sitting in your over-bloated position, supping your ale reading this blog, WTF???
sigh... [hifff...]
good summary tho Crypto, just needed a little flame BBQ'ing rant to finish it toastally :D
more Crypto2;
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I lean towards smaller mass. Water in the sky would reduce the mass of the Earth - but is it significant ?
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we have to know, which part of the mass of our earth causes gravity... I mean, if it's water or the supposed 'iron' at the core, well that would all add to the affect of the force we feel at the surface?
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Could that water in solid form, pressurize the atmosphere and THAT somehow enabled the dinosaurs to stand up ?
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Maybe the earth was smaller in Diameter, maybe the water seeping downward, passed all the empty space left by the OIL drilling, has left space for water to get in, heat up and expand off.
That could add 'girth' to the 'earth'?
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MAybe they had helium in their veins ?
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or TCH :))
da formatting didn't look right Eric, here's mi (E3MW again)
at 90 degrees to zero (0) point.
5 dimensions;
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.3330EEE.
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Marnin' Jas.
Crypt0,
Can you give me an example of what you mean by 'Cult Archeaology'?
Marnin SunKing :D
ta report, da skunk weed cabbage is getting sweeter every day...
sweet sensimelia... Mary Jane... K'An'Abbyss...
TCH inspiration... Ms T, how's ya doin ta'day... need to scorch da cieling again, mi ashtray is emptied readied for da next round... load up crew...
Jas said..5 dimensions;
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.3330EEE.
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There is less gravity on the moon which would be a consequence of the moon having less mass and not because the moon is closer to the sun. This implies that the smaller the mass, the less gravity it will have. There must be a tipping point and not necessarily a "balancing point" where the forces of gravity from one body pull the other body into it's mass but we don't see that happening. There seems to be stasis. The moon stays put, the sun stays put the planets stay put. So wat up?
I remember hearing that when we jump into the air with all our might, gravity doesn't bring us down, the earth rises up to meet you. Hehe.
Jas..when we examine the symbols..ie E,,M..33..0.. WW ..
we are looking at manmade symbols that are expressed on the flat page or flat earth..We are simply looking at an expression to describe or give "direction" to a natural concept. I give zero the meaning of "infinity" because it is a "concept" in a numbering system where we see the integers moving from -3,-2-1..0..+1,+2,+3.
Zero cannot occupy a point on that line because it is a point that should not be there; it is an infinity that cannot be divided into any point. The point being there is no point called zero.
There is a slight possibility that the aluminaughty work in cells and in fact, I was reading just such a thing yesterday. No paper trail if you get my drift. So they speak to each other in code. Shit happens. It benefits one group and crucifies another. They are NWO and their enemies are the Patriots and Nationalists. Easy for them to spot the enemy. Unions are their enemy because unions (Sago Mine Disaster) support their workers and their community. If a cell (Aluminaughty) can kill off a Worker (one cell at a time) or 13, and draw the media spotlight away from other Aluminaughty that have been "caught in the headlights of media and workers attention" than that "cell" has raised their profile and served Mammon very well.
The symbols of E,W,M,3 should be traceable through their work. 11,13,33 or multiples of these numbers should be identifiable in their "signals" back to "head office". Sago Mine in West Virginia being a "key" to the disaster and a magnet or crevice for the "cell" to be there in the first place. Hundreds of years later, this is the "second" language used to galvanize their crew (cult) into silence and obedience. nuff 4 now...
very interesting Eric;
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...
Hundreds of years later, this is the "second" language used to galvanize their crew (cult) into silence and obedience. nuff 4 now...
Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:32:33 AM
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signs for the minions...
The poobahs that be, in what passes for an illuminaughty tempel, use the 'great' signs, to show their be-spanked flock, that they are in monsterly god-like control, wizard of Oz syndrome again...
Look! behind the curtain...
Yeps no-Fool, that's how Ion came to be the ships pastor and priest... many wise words flow from our bredren Ion...
...and also cos I was toasting all da new-comers, mi saber was a bit trigger happy... wasn't always my fault mind... honest...
How is da cold/heat/cold/heat/heat... up there in da North Ion?
no-Fool;
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The problem is a chain is only as strong as its weakest link and unless the Individual is STRONG, the chain will FAIL.
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Yes.
This is succinqtly true.
And is being proven time again at the Bu$h admini$tration too.
They can shoe off public outrage and cry for a REAL inquiry, but when Hollywood types start weighing into the post Katrina/911 incidents, voices become less easy to quash.
That was the point though. Both sides are trying to attack the weakest link in the chain.
Sheen is now the weakest link or proven strong till he fails, for the new focus of Psy Ops attack on the masses.
Yes the weakest link.
Mike Brown (Ex-FEMA (WTF?) head) looked to me, to be the weakest link in the Katrina affair.
He showed up the the Chertofski power hierarchy, the weakest link there though? Bu$h hasn't crackled yet though, so who?
Rumsfeld? Cheney? Rove?
Are they just as strong a$ each other?
Always looking for that weakest link... (and da strongest herb :)
Fool..individual vs. collective has merit..the problem is the only individuals we have are called Yeti.
hi hi hi
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Hey Jas
I like the idea of the first FSHOD convention being at St. Kitts.
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yes'sah, real sun Caribbean sunshine... plus da rums good...
Maybe for da first F-SHOD anniverary dry dock to departure party...
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We'd better get it together SOON, before the Oil Cartel drives Air Fare up to 3 to 4 Grand a seat!
"
Ya mean da dirty OIL F*ckers?
They already know we don't like 'em...
yeps soon before da OILy eejits start askin for; Papers!
And what's with all da Cruise line 'incidents' recently... a burnin and a rollin the passengers they are... poor ships of Tarshish...
WTF?
Mrs t...
Glad to hear things are getting better. Thanks for the re-affirmation of a 'caring crew' !
Jas...
> Hearing Steve Doocy prattling on with a hairspray combover
Jas...could it be something IN the hairspray?...the aluminium additives ?
I'm not entirely sure if I'm joking here or not !
ericswan and crew...:-)
I have intentionally not fully read your post or got involved in the many discussions on
it that a search will turn up. As a friend ounce said to me "be carefull what software you
put in your brain" !
Sadly, I suspect that we could be being sprayed with various chemicals to 'save us'
from global warming...who cares about a few milion dead here and there ? This is
contentious information, so I'm trying not to 'jump the gun' and get involved in endless
conspirational conversations with absolutely diddley-shit EVIDENCE !
Who is this man ?:
Jim Phelps turns up in this dicussion:
Chemtrailcentral.com forum
Who was 'Deep Shield' and why do stories of his suicide (with NO backup info on that 'fact')
get my alarm bells ringing? Why are the discussions full of (again, not backed up)
stories of people 'being killed' ?
Either someone wants investigators 'scared off' or the conspiracy theorists are giving
in to their rampant paranoia.
Maybe you can all drag up some actual FACTS (remember those?).
DJBarney
The Deep Shield comments on CHEMTRAILS are a couple of years old. I've had a year to absorb what they have to offer and a year of photographing and documenting chemtrails and the effects of ELF on clouds/chemtrails. The one fact that I needed was simply that "chemtrails" are being deployed. I've seen it with my own eyes. Ergo..the science behind chemtrails or the Who, What, Where, When, and Why as revealed by Deep Shield has more relevance to me. Remember that 99.9 % deny the existence of chemtrails.
If the disclosure we have here is ever revealed publicly, that being;
if we don't spray, the world is doomed within 20 years.
if we don't spray, the world will turn to anarchy..
if we spray, 2 billion people will die over the next 10 years
if we don't spray,
DjB;
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Jas...could it be something IN the hairspray?...the aluminium additives ?
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Whatever it is DjB, he needs a good spanking... or some stronger coffee, maybe switch medications, [hifff...]?
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I'm not entirely sure if I'm joking here or not !
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in mi yute (Youth for non-shoddies), I used ta wair gallons of hair spray, so glad mi changed mi style...
yeps, something that's in or not in his head, that's causing the issue... hair aside, he's an eejit.
no-Fool;
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BUt if someone has a ligitimate medical reason, one can get a card for FREE.
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came through a mind bending cult religion called Jehovah's witnesses. Instituted in part by Masonic illuminati secret societies. Had relationships and friends torn from me by a company known as the WTBT$.
does that qualify?
Plus DjB said it's for sanity...
feelin pretty good sah! :D
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I'm sure John's condition (MYOPIA) would qualify.
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I'm sure ""'s condition can't be treated by anything other a direct whack on the intelligence gland...
F-SHOD at 'whacking' distance...
hi hi hi
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Jas also said.....
> Ya mean da dirty OIL F*ckers? <
Dirty OIL F*ckers it is!
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oooh yeah... Dirty OIL F*ckers...
WTF?
[hifff...ff.fffff...]
ericswan...
> The one fact that I needed was simply that "chemtrails" are being deployed. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Are you talking instincts here?...I can certainly respect that...but try transferring
your instinct to another mind ?
> if we don't spray, the world is doomed within 20 years.
> if we don't spray, the world will turn to anarchy..
> if we spray, 2 billion people will die over the next 10 years
There's something here but the article you give is loaded with these highly emotional
statements. I admit it, I would'nt be surprised after 911, Iraq, etc, etc, if these
guys had really gone mad and are trying to 'save' us all...BUT.
I see another repeated pattern here. The playing around with the 'ultimate destruction'
of global warming or environmental damage, population, energy and water crisis.
Where's the perspective ?
At the last count 'she' has been around for 6 billion years.
Who knows what she has been through and survived (of, course, or
we would'nt be here!).
There ARE serious global problems here, but I think that the true panic inducing
'playing around' with 'ultimate destruction' is the real 'psy-ops' here.
We've seen this with the nuclear bomb for the last 50 years ! When presented with
such a scary thing most people tend to 'shut down' and go and stroke their fluffy
bunny rabbits, etc, (who can blame them).
So we're left with a world where Einstein is a 'genius' who bought us the Bomb ?!
I think I detect a trend here. Have we, as humanity, been through SO much in the last
100 years (wars, the bomb, the cold war....etc) that we're actually suffering from
collective shock / amnesia that is affecting the way these problems are approached.
This is my real 'golden bullet'. If people start coming round and really getting their
teeth into this....THEN.
Was that the FSHOD afterburner I heard coming on? Phrummmmmph !
DJBarney
DJB..great link above.. I correspond with Jim Phelps regularly and post to Chemtrail Central on occasion but missed this link.. Appreciate your efforts...
Here is Jim Phelps website in a nutshell. He has O Ton of other stuff but this one is a great read and given what we already discussed, should put he and chemtrails into perspective from square one..
http://www.gargoylemechanique.com/chama/chemtrails_overview.html
...did ya hear da latest one;
Man kills 6 then himself...
6 no less... on the 26th...
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6 gun
Gunman kills 6, self at Seattle party
Chicago Tribune, United States - 5 hours ago
SEATTLE, WASHINGTON -- A gunman fatally shot six people at a private house party early Saturday before committing suicide in the worst mass killing in this ...
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hmmmmmmm
...not four not eight
SIX
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At the last count 'she' has been around for 6 billion years.
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arrrgggg...
knights who say SIX...!
yes DjB, 6 Billion years...
DJB..again ..the link you posted was news to me. I had never heard JP discuss the "suicides" of scientists and actually didn't realize a connection to chemtrails until I read Phelps synopsis a couple of minutes ago. It will take me a bit of time to research and consider the dots here.
I will tell you though, I have one recommendation to you and everyone else ...stop using flouride based toothpaste ...
ericswan...
Has Jim Phelps actually worked for these people mentioned in the link ?
Just following the basic checks.
DJBarney
DJB said..
The one fact that I needed was simply that "chemtrails" are being deployed. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Are you talking instincts here?...I can certainly respect that...but try transferring
your instinct to another mind ?
> if we don't spray, the world is doomed within 20 years.
> if we don't spray, the world will turn to anarchy..
> if we spray, 2 billion people will die over the next 10 years
There's something here but the article you give is loaded with these highly emotional
statements. I admit it, I would'nt be surprised after 911, Iraq, etc, etc, if these
guys had really gone mad and are trying to 'save' us all...BUT.
This link is a series of photos I took of one jet doing chemtrails and the other jet doing the Vancouver .. Toronto commercial jet route..
http://eastsouthwestandnorth.blogspot.com/2005/11/chemtrails-vs-contrailsyou-be-judge.html
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Great recommendation. The addition of flouride to water supplies is also a HUGE concern!
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YES!
There were no recorded cases of lung cancer from smoking, until the 1950's when coincidently the water supplies of Europe/U$A, where polluted with flouride; for your tooth health, according to 'scientists'.
The NAZI's discovered flouride was a poison that affected the spiritual gland (begins with P... something...).
Flouride is a systemic poison, that can be absorbed through the skin and ingested.
It's also highly illegal to attempt to purchase large quantities, say 30 grams...
No flouride in da Caribbean waters...
rain or purified sea water...
but da toothpaste is a concern... yeps... brush ya teeth with rum I say...
[hic...]
Jas...
"Who is number One ?"
"You are, number Six!"
ericswan...
> chemtrails-vs-contrailsyou-be-judge
A considered, scientific approach ? Reference trail characteristics against
known weather conditions and flight information ? Mmmmmm.
> stop using flouride based toothpaste
True. Were you here when I covered this fluoride stuff a while back ?
That F is a registered poison...it is in Prozac...it is nasty.
A friend's daughter (14?) had me curtailing my righteous indignation when
she started talking about "we've got to get proper toothpaste...you need the
fluoride for teeth!"...Ahhhhhhr! I think I got the message across that F is
bad, and I think her (vegan?) Mother would have something to say about it.
It's so deceptive...yes, F DOES strengthen tooth enamel, but, of course, if
it gets into the rest of the body !
DJBarney
Check out this article (which is currently the front page) at cnn.com.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/26/coverstory/index.html
No one can say exactly what it looks like when a planet takes ill, but it probably looks a lot like Earth.
Never mind what you've heard about global warming as a slow-motion emergency that would take decades to play out. Suddenly and unexpectedly, the crisis is upon us.
From heat waves to storms to floods to fires to massive glacial melts, the global climate seems to be crashing around us.
The problem -- as scientists suspected but few others appreciated -- is that global climate systems are booby-trapped with tipping points and feedback loops, thresholds past which the slow creep of environmental decay gives way to sudden and self-perpetuating collapse. That's just what's happening now.
It's at the north and south poles -- where ice cover is crumbling to slush -- that the crisis is being felt the most acutely.
Jas...
> There were no recorded cases of lung cancer from smoking, until the 1950's
"Industrial pollutants were first identified in the 1940s and 1950s as causes of cancer by Wilhelm Hueper, an American doctor working in the chemicals industry. Most of the industrial contaminants affecting the health of present generations did not exist before Hueper's time. Toxicopathologist Dr Vyvyan Howard informs us that, in 2004, 'the average person in the street now has hundreds of groups of completely novel compounds in their bodies that weren't there 60 years ago. We can measure them in adult and foetal tissue. We have changed the chemical environment of the womb.'
Quoted by Felicity Lawrence 'Chemical World' The Guardian May 15 2004
From:
Here.
I think I knew this. I think most people put it down to a 'random' consequence of
industrialisation, but fail to make the connection to deliberate use of F, etc.
It's people doing this...why do we put it down to some kind of 'disembodied' process
of 'progress' ?
I've had this with my Mother's cancer...."these things just happen" they say, but then
there's the above that, I suspect, we ALL know !
Talk about NOT joining the dots !
Is this a state of denial ?
See no evil....Hear no evil...Speak no evil, and it'll just magically dissappear
won't it! Duh !
DJBarney
Fluoride Trail:
1944:
A captain in the medical corps addresses an April 1944 memo to Col. Stanford Warren, head of the Manhattan Project's Medical Section, expressing his concerns about atom bomb component fluoride's central nervous system (CNS) effects and asking for animal research to be done to determine the extent of these effects: "Clinical evidence suggests that uranium hexafluoride may have a rather marked central nervous system effect ... It seems most likely that the F [code for fluoride] component rather than the T [code for uranium] is the causative factor ... Since work with these compounds is essential, it will be necessary to know in advance what mental effects may occur after exposure." The following year, the Manhattan Project would begin human-based studies on fluoride's effects (Griffiths and Bryson).
1946:
Continuing the Newburg study of 1945, the Manhattan Project commissions the University of Rochester to study fluoride's effects on animals and humans in a project codenamed "Program F." With the help of the New York State Health Department, Program F researchers secretly collect and analyze blood and tissue samples from Newburg residents. The studies are sponsored by the Atomic Energy Commission and take place at the University of Rochester Medical Center's Strong Memorial Hospital (Griffiths and Bryson).
1948:
Based on the secret studies performed on Newburgh, N.Y. residents beginning in 1945, Project F researchers publish a report in the August 1948 edition of the Journal of the American Dental Association, detailing fluoride's health dangers. The U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) quickly censors it for "national security" reasons (Griffiths and Bryson).
All About Fluoride
P.S. Sorry, the short posting on the national ID on Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:40:40 PM was me. Honestly. For whatever reason, I could not log in to Blogger at that time.
Best wishes and good fortune to all!
~Greg
To Charlie Sheen,
The owner of Building 7 has already told the press that he took the building down on purpose, at that time.
So what.
Monkey Wrench
Hello Mrs t !
Yep...we damaged HER...and boy is she PISSED !
As to the chemtrail article, I'm afraid the diagnosis is not too good...even bad 'breadcrumbs' can lead somewhere though !
From Here.
"Your mission, if you decide to accept, is to file Jim Phelps' information under 'psych-ops'."
Ha! Ha! Ho! :-) Recognise the name, the series ?
Apparently the inventor of HAARP is NOT Phelps...
Anyway, still looking into this...
Sometimes I wonder if I should get 7 of 9 to run a level six diagnostic on your radars,
but don't worry, I've fallen for all sorts of 'obviously fake' stuff before.
But like I say, ericswan, I don't want to 'shoot down' your find, it MAY lead somewhere.
Also in the link...
"I am very sure that http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net is run by the elites which causing our problems.
Have a look at their sponsors, you see the signs of American Cancer Society, American Diabetic Association, American Heart Foundation; they are all theirs!"
Actually I can't find the sponsors on their page....doh(?).
Jas ? You frequent this website, right ?
DJBarney
Good one Cory...The only solution to the problem is to outlaw all personal automobiles..now..close the gas stations..get on the bus ..Gus.
make a new plan..Stan.
It just kills me when I receive a truck load of bottled water from Vancouver headed for a second drop in Edmonton and then receive a truck load of bottled water from Edmonton headed for a second drop in Vancouver..
Hey fool...i GOTTA QUESTION for RCH. lol
Q: WTF?
Jas,
was it the pineal gland?
LOL;
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Hey fool...i GOTTA QUESTION for RCH. lol
Q: WTF?
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hi hi hi...
hi hi hi...
DjB, I do haunt the STA Forum, but brudder, I don't freakin own it...
Just hunt down, interestin, news stories...
or run it... elites??? [shudder]...
mind is bogglin...
SunKing;
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was it the pineal gland?
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it's up for grabs, but I'm going with that, cos it looks less like a word like Penis, which is what I kept spellin...
the fool...
I'm just saliverating, waiting for someone to corner 'the Captain' and ask him
the difficult questions he deserves AND get some answers.
Has he watched the way Janeway in Voyager has to grapple with the difficult
questions she gets from her crew ? Does she run away and say "I'm being attacked!".
Jeez, I know Voyager is not reality, but RCH has NOT got his own ship, and I
wonder if he really graduated from Starfleet ?
I'd still listen, rapt, to his utterences, like some fresh new puppy, but I do
wonder if that thing called (Shhhhh! Quiet now)...an EGO...gets in the way ?
What is it? "You always hate the thing you love" ? Actually I don't like that
saying.
Jas...
> DjB, I do haunt the STA Forum, but brudder, I don't freakin own it...
Just trying to be 'Security Officer' worrying about where one of the crew
is hanging out....I know you handle yourself :-)
DJBarney
I believe Clan has moved away from growing the penis augh, I mean pineal.
By the way Clan enjoyed your last post immensely. For those thinking
of trying K, be warned that lots of times what is sold as 'k' is actually
a mix of other crap, also a ketamine trip isn't for the feint of mind,
you better be a mind warrior before you try it.
As to the deep shield article, I agree with DJB, makes for startling
reading but lots of it seems like psy-ops. The ozone science that
gets reported must all be bs for that story to be true. If the ozone
is as messed up as that story reports there should be occasional days
where Jas would get sunburned in 3 minutes from the 'holes' that
appear (where the author states massive spraying programs get deployed)
I have wondered about the USAF pilots what must they be told to
disperse metals and other hazardous material above their own families?
Only a really desperate scenario would work, such as protecting us
all from dying out. Solves the secrecy is a must issue. Works as a cover
for depopulation. I've seen a report about contrails effects on health
done by the government it notes that ER visits increase on days where
contrails fill the skies (cant find that report at the moment). I think there's a possibility that the
suicide was from this deepshield guy finding out that what he
thought was happening was a crock of crap. The article is as
infuriating to me (no proof) as chemtrail sights ignoring the
supersaturation of air where ALL trails in the skies behave
identically to chemtrails. Right now the sky above me is soaked
and every plane in the sky is leaving long lasting trails,
it is expected to begin raining soon here. The whole concept
of spraying before a storm front is not being dealt with truthfully
by any chemtrail site that I have been to-pisses me off as
it greatly weakens the case for actual chemtrails.
I could say lots more on this but time to go to co-workers house
to play with magnets and capacitors.
-Bryan
Oh,
Here's a company selling one of the purported components to chemtrails;
Originally dispensed as a powder now dispensed as a liquid;
Material Safety Data Sheet
Product Identity: StealthKote Sound Damping Liquid
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SECTION I Product Identity
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Manufactured by: Trigon Manufacturing Inc.
535 W. Iron Ave. #120 Health 1
Mesa, AZ. 85210 Flammability 0
480-223-1000 Reactivity 0
Emergency Telephone Number 480-223-1000
Information telephone Number 480-223-1000
Date Prepared: September, 2003
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SECTIONII Hazardous Ingredients
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Chemical Identity-Common Name CAS# % By Wt. OSHA PEL Other Limits
Modified Acrylic Latex Polymer 70677-00-8 40-45% 100 ppm
Mica 12001-26-2 <5 % 3/mg/3
Talc 14807-98-6 5-10% 2mg/m3
Limestone 1317-65-3 15-20% 15 mg/m3 5 mg/m3 Resp
Aluminum Trihydrate 21645-51-2 9-12% 10mg/m3
2,2,4-TriMethyl-1,3-Pentanediol Monoisobutyrate25265-77-4 <1% N/A
Barium Sulfate 7727-43-7 5-10% N/A
These pdf pages seem to illustrate that a 'shield'
program would actually cause ADDITIONAL damage to the ozone layer
and to crops trees and you and me.
(this stuff DOES make me want to pet a furry bunny)
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p1.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p2.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p3.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p4.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p6.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p7.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/Count/Oct2005/ConEdNews_p8.pdf
I linked the WRONG pdf's those are the stupid NASA contrail pdf's
good reading for non-shoddies perhaps but not what I was trying to post
bryan,
check the UV index for yesterday, today and tomorrow. If there is anything like truth to DS's findings, or at least some embedded truth, then the UV threat should be high when da trails be Chemmin'!
Anyone wanting pdf of contrail study (from epa)
showing contrails ill effects on climate and
human health can e-mail me at blesse1(ATTTsigniathingy)verizon(DOTTT)net
Time to pulse some voltage and play around with back EMF
-bryan
good point sunking, There should be a noticeable correlation.
Also think Jas can be our human UV index reporter ;)
I tink the ozone holes tend to open up closer to both
poles lucky for him.
Tomorrow on the History Channel
Digging for the Truth
The davinci Code: Bloodlines
Premieres:
Monday, March 27 @ 9pm ET/PT
Josh Bernstein searches for solid evidence behind the controversial theory laid out in Dan Brown's book The Da Vinci Code. Brown's theory claims that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and that she conceived a child. It also suggests that the bloodline continues--unbroken--to this day. Josh shows what's true and what's clearly make-believe in Dan Brown's bestseller. From musty libraries to ancient churches, Josh's unique quest leads him to seek the DNA evidence that might prove or disprove one of the most sensational claims in modern history. Most remarkably, he'll orchestrate the first ever DNA test on a Merovingian royal to find out if the story of a divine bloodline stretching back to Jesus and Mary Magdalene could possibly be true.
Looks interesting, at least for those of us who have in interest in this.
What were we talking about?
Oh..yea..NASA...
Do you think they should come clean on all the manned missions they faked to the moon?
Dan Brown's Da Vinci code would be an example of Cult Archaeology ... English Aristocrats finding tombs in the late 19th century and spiriting things away for Dark Archiving at the British Museum.
The Da Vinci Code is French surrealism - watch the BBC documentary on the Real Da Vinci Codes instead. The French love surrealism - that's why they like Jerry Lewis.
Is there anyone at FSHOD that accepts the Da Vinci Codes or Holy Blood and Holy Grail at face value ? Or, as an intellectually honest research project ? Or is it taken for what it is : an aristocratic spin that amounts to a
Cult archaeology - as opposed to scientific archaeology.
{Scientific archaeology is actually a spin off of cult archaelogy}
The key to the Moon Landings : they won't have to admit they didn't go UNTIL another power goes to the Moon and proves that their claims are bunk.
They would have to say, "no US flag in the Sea of Tranquility" ... but on the other hand, if the Americans get there first, they could pretty easily cover things up.
It was a calculated risk for PR purposes to sell capitalism ...
Here's something thought provoking -
The next time you hear a politician use the word "billion" in a casual manner, think about whether you want the "politicians" spending your tax money.
A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its releases:
a.. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
b.. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
c.. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
d.. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.
While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New Orleans - It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.
Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D) is presently asking the Congress for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans.
Interesting number, what does it mean?
Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans, every man, woman, child, you each get $516, 528.
Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans, your home gets $1,329,787
Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.
Washington, D.C. !!!...................Are all your calculators broken????
Kinda busy at FSHOD for a Sunday.....
re building 7 and the towers, maybe next we'll be told that modern tall buildings have explosives built in so that in case of disaster, they can be brought straight down to avoid damaging the surrounding buildings. Think they'd get away with that one?
I actually heard that from a guy who is a 'dyed in the wool' conspiracy buff, except he said his dad is a big time architect that told him that little tidbit. WTF?
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So far re Da Vinci Code, all I know for sure is that my gut doesn't go for Laurence Gardner's spin. He made a pretty book tho, lotsa beautiful old sculptures & paintings on every page.
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no fool,
yeh, ask Hoagy if he still keeps up with us....or better yet just ask him how he likes FSHOD...
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Ms T,
Good to seeya back here :)
uni
crypt0,
I am interested in HBHG from the standpoint of the possibilites of the marriage of Jesus amd MM and all the implications of that and the Catholic Church with their selectiveness in compiling the Bible. The rest is an interesting tale.
The Davinci Code....well, all this fuss for a novel of fiction? Frankly, I enjoy the DVC and Angels and Demons because they were a good read...any truth therein is a bonus. With the DVC, I also enjoy watching the Xians having apoplexy over it...makes for good real life drama! The recent court battles just drives up book sales (for BOTH boks) and whet the appetite for the movie.
re:Moon Landing
I thought RCH made a pretty good case that it DID happen. Uni, you still got that moon landing link to TEM?
I had a moon landing link ?
Hhmmm... hafta check...
Sheeple are people that follow blindly and never question their leaders. Their simple Motto is:
"Follow the Asshole in front of you"
and the timeliness of that quote relates to.....?
Hi all...
What a busy weekend! I'll spare you the details, but I was very very busy...
Scaletm, you said...
"Cool John, thanks" (in reference to the first HIRISE picture from Mars)
You're welcome...
Solar eclipse coming up...
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/060324_night_sky.html
I've been following this Falcon 1 rocket project, and I think it blew up on launch...
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/060324_spacex_failure.html
Something from Spirit...
http://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_060324.html
Here's a couple of cool pics on the spaceweather.com main page...
http://www.spaceweather.com/
John
It seems that the military is now dumping radioactive, destroyed Abrams tanks on flat cars in Kansas, I suppose to be used as playgrounds for kids.
DU is the most efficient and suttle way to dispose of useless eaters, so this had to happen sometime.
Now you have something in common with the people of Iraq !
I have a better idea. Lets send these tanks to sit in Israel so that their poison can do some good ! While we're at it, let's strap the likes of Perle, Wolfowitz and Libby to the gun barrels.
http://www.sfbayview.com/110905/radioactivetank110905.shtml
I'm not trying to troll against the HB&HG - I enjoyed alot of what it brought out - but as proof that Templars were thumping bibles on their heads, or even cared about Mary Magdalene .... is another matter.
There is the revealed Will of God (Jesus was revealed) and God's secret Will (John) ... and taking that to another level, Jesus as a man was revealed - Jesus as a family man was not.
The church buried secrets for proof of divinity - what you're seeing is probably true (about Jesus & Mary) we know half the story is pontificated and proselytized while the other half was suppressed.
If this were a criminal trial, with ballistics and motive ... I would say the ballistics is not bad although the revelation is via stratagem and certain facts were fudged/omitted to suit.
The motive : there are many. One is to make the first trans-national corporation appear to be a benign bunch of monks thumping bibles on their heads.
In this era of Individual versus Industry, it's probably the embarrassment of riches that prevents us from knowing the truth. Jesus the family man is going to be used to aggrandize the greedy guts called Templars ?
Take the evidence - the books do offer insight - but just keep an open mind about the neutrality of the presenter. The people gifting the details have ulterior motives - sometimes known, sometimes unknown to the writers.
I notice RCH didn't represent the Will of the People in lobbying NASA for proof about the Moon landing. I think NASA ought to come clean on the subject ... it was supposed to produce spin-off technology for the people - what did we get ? Tang ... and NASA is a black hole. Nothing but distilled information and suppression ...
Uni said:
re building 7 and the towers, maybe next we'll be told that modern tall buildings have explosives built in so that in case of disaster, they can be brought straight down to avoid damaging the surrounding buildings. Think they'd get away with that one?
John-Boy certainly thinks so. That was his position on why they fell within their footprints.
Watching it live on TV back then, it was obvious to me it was a controlled demolition job.
Anyone *really* watched the whole 1hr 45min loosechange video? Took me about 2 hours to download it on DSL.
The last 10 minutes of the video could be breadcrumbs. Fed's $200Billion gold stash?
the Central Banking portion of the Templar story is just plain disgusting.
Some people got filthy rich - but they "enabled" Global Commerce - that's not disgusting and it was progress !!
Hoagster sees ruins in first pics from MRO:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm
pics are an update to page, so they are near the page bottom
osotp said...
Anyone *really* watched the whole 1hr 45min loosechange video? Took me about 2 hours to download it on DSL.
The last 10 minutes of the video could be breadcrumbs. Fed's $200Billion gold stash?
<
I watched it online...no waiting involved. What about last ten minutes,...gold stash? I musta missed it.
osotp said...
->Anyone *really* watched the whole 1hr 45min loosechange video?<-
I've watched it multiple times and yes, that last bit seems to have been tossed in off the cuff but I'm not sure exactly what the point of it's supposed to be. But overall, one of the better examples of documentary I've seen in awhile.
DarkWood
Blair calls for more US deaths; says "anti-War position is madness"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/26/australia.britain/index.html
He said a global alliance should be pushing to defend universal values wherever they were under threat.
Blair also attacked anti-U.S. sentiment in Europe as "madness" when set against the long-term challenges facing the world.
He said the world needed the United States to be involved, and not "to pull up the drawbridge" in favor of isolationism.
"I don't always agree with the United States. Sometimes they can be difficult friends to have," he told the Australian parliamentarians.
But not to have the United States fully engaged in the battle for global values was the wrong course.
(he is calling for a GLOBAL WAR)
unipax said;
Hoagster sees ruins in first pics from MRO:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm
pics are an update to page, so they are near the page bottom
Monday, March 27, 2006 2:45:03 AM
If he'd kept the Cap'n's Blog going, he most likely would have had a stronger base to get that "political pressure" he always seems to say is needed. I still don't think he was thinking long term, imo.
osotp said;
But not to have the United States fully engaged in the battle for global values was the wrong course.
(he is calling for a GLOBAL WAR)
Monday, March 27, 2006 4:35:46 AM
What do these people know, that makes them want such "madness", to use Blair's words? Other than the mil/ind complex making $ what else is it? The thought comes to mind of Pinky and The Brain, two laboratory mice who are going to take over the world! Wow, what a Monday morning will do to your mind. :)
Wayne
badismy
bryansail...
> I think there's a possibility that the
> suicide was from this deepshield guy finding out that what he
> thought was happening was a crock of crap.
That's CLASSIC psy-ops, is'nt it ? You feel indebted to read the article
because "Oh, it must have been something really important if he killed
himself" ! You have NO proof of this why are you all falling for it! Ahhh!
Now mrs t has taken the whole thing onboard...learn by our mistakes I guess.
crypto2...ericswan...
Faked moon landings....eh ? Have you been posessed by Aliens ?
other side of the pacific...
> Anyone *really* watched the whole 1hr 45min loosechange video? Took me about 2 hours to download it on DSL.
It's available here, on this page: http://myspace.com/loosechange911 as a GOOGLE
STREAMING VIDEO (no waiting for d/l's!).
> Fed's $200Billion gold stash?
I did'nt know that was under there...when did ANYONE ever mention this ? Fuckers.
(Not us shoddies....the media).
other side of the pacific...
> (he is calling for a GLOBAL WAR)
Great! Then I can have an excuse to buy that AK47 I've been lusting over, so I can
BLOW HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF ! The FUCKER. Now I want to become a terrorist and blow
these idiots up!...of course I would'nt because innocent people get hurt...but do
you see what's happening here?...they're creating their own enemies so they can say
that "evil exists in the world"...just like the psychiatric profession creating
their own diseases so they can say "madness exists in the world, everyone must be
medicated".
There are SO many people wandering around in this HIGHLY DANGEROUS 'stupid cloud'.
Is it the stupid part of the brain ? Casting it's neural messages into the environmental
issue, politics, health, dealing with everyday emotions.
I spent party after party hanging around with these 'ravers' popping their fucking pills
giving them their 'LOVE' - they're fucking pills man! Drugs ! And you call it LOVE ! Jas,
will sob for hours into his cornflakes !
And while I was shuffling around in my introverted state CAUSED by this medicine I was
given as a kid...produced by the same system that made MDMA...I was thinking...is there
something wrong with me ? Why don't I just take an E?
But they'll never know that now (the ravers)...the IRONY of this...while they were
practically forcing E's down my throat ('because I had a personality defect') they
were existing in this stupid cloud...never checking what's in MDMA...never checking
where it came from. FUCKING IRRESPONSIBLE IDIOTS.
Are you getting the SERIOUSNESS of this situation, piece of shit, that we seem to have
inherited from the previous generation ?
Send in the Cosmic Psychiatrist, that's what I say...hang on, cosmic analysis (?)...I think
I hear my Grey friends a calling...back later!
DJBarney
Anonymous said...
It seems that the military is now dumping radioactive, destroyed Abrams tanks on flat cars in Kansas, I suppose to be used as playgrounds for kids.
DU is the most efficient and suttle way to dispose of useless eaters, so this had to happen sometime.
Now you have something in common with the people of Iraq !
I have a better idea. Lets send these tanks to sit in Israel so that their poison can do some good ! While we're at it, let's strap the likes of Perle, Wolfowitz and Libby to the gun barrels.
Anonymous,
You had a pretty good post going there, plus an interresting link. But then why did you have to insert the last two sentences of bad kharma? Seems somewhat hypocritical, to focus on people wrongfully killing other people...then express your desire to kill people, eh?
I don't think the Templars created the "Central Bank". More exactly, they introduced the Islamic concept of the 'check' and skirted around the injunctions prohibiting usury. FWIW. ;)
crypt0,
Who said the faked moon landing story was the "Will of the People"?
Why should RCH champion something that was definitely the viewpoint of a small group and certainly not his.....OR mine, for that matter. I recall that I thought his case FOR an actual moon landing was quite convincing. Again, FWIW. :)
Added thought...if I'm trying to convince folks that the Face on Mars was the work of a race of space-faring beings and suffering all the the barbs and arrows of that endeavour, why make oneself a larger target by insisting that the moon landing, something that billions of people witnessed on TV (totally believing), was faked!
That would make his job that much harder to do!
THAT could hurt book sales!!!!
THINK, MAN! :)
DJBarney said ...
>Great! Then I can have an excuse to buy that AK47 I've been lusting over, so I can
BLOW HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF ! The FUCKER. Now I want to become a terrorist and blow
these idiots up!...<
Hey, Sunking ... We're still not lettin' DJB drive, right ? You know, DJB, my Dad's job was scanning radio frequencies and the first computers were used to do that automatically - to search for words like BMOB !! Or, basically the kind of thing you posted above ... yikes ! Methinks we gonna get in trouble, or 'monitored'. Is there an Intell Agnecy that doesn't scan blogs ? What are they desperately trying to find proof of ? If you wanna get arrested, why not just run naked through the Public Square ?
I'm more amused than anything ... but I'm the second most likely person to use the term "rich oil f*ckers" on this Blog and I've said things about Canada's miitary being more a part of a secret military establishment than a people's army. National Defence got all confused with advancing Imperial agendas ... things like that. I don't wanna hear about it on Father's Day :-)
SK,
The Abrams tanks belong to Caesar, so to Caesar they should go.
Since the the Iraq war is being fought for the ultimate benefit of Israel, they should be the ones to deal with the refuse of war.
If the tanks and DU are REALLY harmless like the govmnt says, then it doesn't really matter WHO gets them, does it ?
I thought about that in the back of my head months ago - just sort of dropped it out onto the Blog. I didn't think RCH had enough good reasons to come to NASA's defence, the way he does on Coast ... that's all. Wouldn't this Moon Landing doubt produce a NASA Spokesperson that would face questions, like, its accountability and transparency.
If I was RCH, I'd have given the Moon Hoax people a map and sat back to watch them throw their best siege weapons at the walls and tower. That's when you hope for a tie with lots of injuries. There is room for the possibility that man landed on the Moon, but the Moon Landing on TV was taped in a studio - for PR purposes. Cold War propaganda ...
I think the Public Space Agency was subject to manipulation for Cold War propaganda purposes because it explored a frontier - and there are rules for bringing information back from the frontier. When the Cold War ends, the subjec clause is removed and NASA should be up-front and honest. Instead, new excuses, new external threats were needed to justify the rules that enable internal consoldation - the finesse that generates the unhealthy concentration of private power.
DjB,
Have you ever considered just putting this episode of your life behind you and focusing more on other things? I notice that you get angrier and angrier when you focus on this issue. When you get into other things, it's like you're a different person. (And likeable and competent and intelligent, at that!)
Maybe I just don't understand things so much, being lucky enough to have not had a family with these kinds of problems. Biggest grief we had was getting to church on time. Weren't rich, weren't privileged, just down to earth, humble, hardworking folk.
I'm praying I'm not sounding overly insensitive with this. I don't mean to be. But if there's anything to the power of suggestion, why just not wake up, say "I'm normal", and go about your business and forget all this bullshit! It may not be the 'noble' thing to do, backing off from this seeming freedom-fight you have against TPTB in your life...but maybe you'd find some level of peace and happiness on a more consistent basis if you just move on and live life.
A man enters a bar and orders a drink.
The bar has a robot bartender.
The robot serves him a perfectly prepared cocktail and then asks
him:"What is your IQ?"
The man replies "150" and the robot proceeds to make conversation
about
global warming factors, quantum physics and spirituality, biomimicry,
environmental interconnectedness, string theory, nano-technology, and
the basis and reasons for various sexual proclivities.
The customer is really impressed by this and decides to test the
robot.
So, the next day he returns to the bar and again the robot serves
him a
perfectly prepared drink and asks: "What's your IQ?"
The man replies: "100"
Immediately, the robot starts talking about cars, football, beer,
guns
and women's breasts.
Really amused, the man decides to return to the bar the next day
to give
the robot one final test.....
The next day, he gets his drink and is asked the usual question
but this
time replies: "Er... about 50, I think."
The robot leans over the bar, and speaking very slowly, says:
"So.....
are.... ya ...gonna.....vote....for....Bush.....again?"
Anonymous,
Your an idiot. The Iraq war is NOT being fought for the ultimate benefit of Israel. How you limit your thinking focusing so on Israel.
The ultimate goal of the battle in Iraq is to provide the US with a long-term base of operations in Iraq and to set the precedent for more of the same, with the ultimate goal of Globalization (i.e. the goal of the Facist Corpocracy to extend the work-consume-go into debt market to all inhabitants on earth.) The US military is being used to provide the entree' for these corporations into regions that have no desire for the American way of life. Once we're in there, there is an influx of American tax $$$ and influence...inculcate 'democracy' (the misguided concept that you actually have a say in your life) and get them hooked on 'da good life' (McLife!), then it won't be long that they are down at Ibn al-Sears putting a washer and dryer on the ole revolving charge account, spending an hour a day commuting to a job they hate in a car that takes 6 years to pay off, etc, etc, etc.
Israel...what lame crap. The stakes are so much higher!
Hey, Sunking ... We're still not lettin' DJB drive, right ?
hehehehehehe
Crypto...Whither thou goest, ghost the shadow..
SunKing...
Yes, you're right, I need that stability of a balanced life.
I'm aware that there's some kind of anger venting process going on here
with me, and I'm aware that the anger often obscures what I'm trying to say.
But, what happened ? I experienced an assault on my being at such a young age
it has caused fractures throughout my life, and coupled with a strong sense
of moral responsibility I tend to think I'm 'on a mission'. Believe it, or not
this 'effect' is getting better, and I apologise for venting all over your blog!
Maybe we need a paypal swear box...a bit like in that sci-fi film with Arnie ?
Don't worry too much, there's a process going on here that will be completed !
As long as I'm not constantly interrupted by the mental health profession !
I'm a great believer in letting people go through their trauma.
The Voyager episode with The Doctor getting into trouble after having to choose
between two triage patients: one dies and he cannot come to terms with that!
They try 're-programming' him but he always finds out what happens and ends up going
into a 'Luxan Hyper-rage' (Farscape?).
They can't 'fix' him without radically changing his personality so decide to 'sit
it out'. There follows some amusing scenes with Janeway patiently sitting it out
with him (falling asleep in her chair with a book!)...while the Doctor mutters on
about "if I'm made up of photons then how can I have a moral responsbility?", etc, etc
, endless deep questions. The final scene is the ship going off on it's course as usual.
DJBarney
ericswan...
> Hey, Sunking ... We're still not lettin' DJB drive, right ?
You...%^&&*%$%%$%...no, seriously...
Maybe I'm like Ensign Kim in Voyager...what was the episode where he goes
off on his own mission with fantasies of being a Captain ? He does a pretty
good job, but he gets back he's like "Neelix, I'm not Captain". Mmmmmm.
DJBarney
Crypto...lat and long
longditude (a number) why 180 degrees east and 180 degrees west? Why not 360 degrees?
I mentioned London at 0 degrees longditude, being the "city of the sun"
using line of sight, latitude would be a number and the celestial plane would be the table with the constellations visible occupying 180 degrees line of sight. Clan Destine builds a psycotropic igloo and receives the influences of other dimensions but did these influences come from the ley line he was on or did they come from the canopy he was under?
Would this be squaring the circle or would it be my glass is half full/empty? In other words, would the celestial influences of the greys be obscured if you are not within the sight lines of Plieades? CD seems to "hiding" from the influences of certain dimensional beings or so it seems. Good luck with that..
I've never liked astral travel and don't recommend it. There is enough evil on this plane/dimension without going out to look for more.
bubba hyde,
I'd say that every modern building being erected today has its own demo built in from the time of construction.
Monkey Wrench
Monkey Wench..that's just silly.
Masons need their symbols just to prove who's in "charge".
crypto,
Let me ask you again and again until you answer.
Exactly what is the "political line"?
Monkey Wrench
Several posters have suggested an experiment to find out what is in a CHEMTRAIL. The author of this piece code name Deep Shield committed suicide a week after his response to these questions was posted to the Internet.
I know it's long but that seems to be the only way to clear up all the questions.. My apologies..
Points to Ponder: The Shield Project.
Here we quote the communication from "Deep Shield":
Having read your email, I must say that you are full of questions. These questions I would dismiss immediately as being the frustrated attempts of fringe groups to bring a halt to the project, however these reports of biological material being part of the spray should be addressed. Therefore I will give as much attention to all of your questions as possible.
1. What purpose do polymer threads imbedded with biological material serve in this scenario?
Polymers are part of the mixture and they do form in threads and in `tufts'. The idea is simple and comes to us from the spider. As you may know spider webbing is very light, some newborn spiders spin a `parachute' to catch the prevailing breeze to travel far from their place of birth. Spiders have been able to attain high altitudes and travel great distances for long periods of time. Most of the elements used in the spray are heavier than air, even in their powdered form they are heavier and will sink quickly. Mixing them with the polymers suspends the particles in the atmosphere high above the surface for longer periods of time, therefore in theory we do not need to spray as often or as much material. Since the suspended particles eventually do settle into the lowest part of the atmosphere and are inhaled by all life forms on the surface there is an attempt to counter the growth of mold by adding to the mixture mold growth suppressants - some of which may be of biological material.
Mold comes in spores that travel on the winds; the polymers can attract mold spores through static charges created by the friction of the polymer threads and the atmosphere. Add a bit of warmth and moisture and mold begins to grow. The polymer is stored in a liquid form as two separate chemicals. When sprayed they combine behind the plane `spinning' long polymer chains (threads). Much tinkering has been done which the chemical matrix in past years. Many polymers (plastics) are non-biodegradable thus add to the problem of pollution. Various formula have been used, some which even use biological agents. It would be great if we could reproduce the same web material that spiders make, it is extremely strong, extremely lightweight and breaks down relatively fast in the ecology.
2. If this spraying is to mitigate global warming, why does so much of it take place at night?
Though it would appear that the dispersal rate of the spray is fast, it is actually takes much longer to be an effective shield. There is a desired concentration being sought. One that is thick enough to stem the UV and the Infrared, while being thin enough to allow visible light through. A perpetual cloud cover would have disastrous effects on plant life; the food chain thus disrupted would soon collapse. The desired effect wanted is a thin cover that would theoretically create a daytime haze that allows plenty of sunlight while providing protection. From UV radiation and also reflect enough infrared to maintain nominal temperatures.
The optimal condition is to use the least amount of material to provide the maximum amount of shielding. Ideally that would be a one-time application which would stay suspended for years, however, as noted, barium and aluminum and other trace elements are far heavier than air and they sink rather rapidly. The different temperatures between day and night causes massive volumes of air to rise during the night, the warm air trapped at the surface rises above the cooling air above. By strategically spraying in certain areas at night, we get the advantage of the rising air, which not only pushes the material higher, but also causes the material to disperse into a thin layer.
I would suggest studying on the subject of weather, namely highs and lows and how air moves to fully understand the times of spraying. I note, it is not just global warming we are combating here, we are also combating UV Summer. Global warming could effectively be treated by applications during the night, when the warm air rises. However the UV needs to be treated during the day. This is why on some days one finds that more spraying is done during the day. The UV indexes are monitored constantly for local areas. If the problem were simply cooling the earth, rockets would have been used to suspend particles in the high atmosphere. However the delicate nature of the Ozone Layer precludes this method of shielding. More on this in the answer to Question 6.
3. What other military programs are in place involving the spraying of barium and what are their purposes? Do you know and understand the chemical make up of the element?
A little knowledge will go a long way to understanding the need to use barium: Barium is often used in barium-nickel alloys for spark-plug electrodes and in vacuum tubes as a drying and oxygen-removing agent. Barium oxidizes in air, and it reacts vigorously with water to form the hydroxide, liberating hydrogen. In moist air it may spontaneously ignite. It burns in air to form the peroxide, which produces hydrogen peroxide when treated with water. Barium reacts with almost all of the nonmetals; all of its water-soluble and acid-soluble compounds are poisonous. Barium carbonate is used in glass, as a pottery glaze, and as a rat poison. Chrome yellow (barium chromate) is used as a paint pigment and in safety matches. The chlorate and nitrate are used in pyrotechnics to provide a green color. Barium oxide strongly absorbs carbon dioxide and water; it is used as a drying agent. Barium chloride is used in medicinal preparations and as a water softener. Barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to light; it is sometimes used as a paint pigment. Barite, the sulfate ore, has many industrial uses. Because barium sulfate is virtually insoluble in water and acids, it can be used to coat the alimentary tract to increase the contrast for X-ray photography without being absorbed by the body and poisoning the subject.
Note what Barium Oxide can do, absorb carbon dioxide - one of the chief gasses causing the green house effect. In my answer to Question 4 I will discuss the need to carry a current in the shield. I would like to point out that barium and aluminum work together to diffuse and strengthen an electrical charge. Somewhat like the current produced when acid is introduced between two dissimilar metals, such as iron and copper. There are military applications for everything you can think of, can not a butter knife be used as a weapon? The same concept holds true here.
4. What is the connection between ELF, EMF, VLF and Chemtrails spraying? Or is there one?
To understand the use of radio waves in the shield, one first understands how ozone is created. I cannot stress to you how dire the situation really is. The shield in place is only a partial solution; we must counter the depletion of the ozone- this means we must make ozone in the stratosphere. Ozone at ground levels does no good; indeed, ozone pollution at ground levels it what is used to determine the air quality. Higher levels of ground level ozone mean that air quality is bad. Pure ozone is an unstable, faintly bluish gas with a characteristic fresh, penetrating odor. The gas has a density of 2.144 grams per liter at standard temperature and pressure. Below its boiling point (-112?) ozone is a dark blue liquid; below its melting point (-193?) it is a blue-black crystalline solid. Ozone is triatomic oxygen, O3, and has a molecular weight of 47.9982 atomic mass units (amu). It is the most chemically active form of oxygen. It is formed in the ozone layer of the stratosphere by the action of solar ultraviolet light on oxygen. Although it is present in this layer only to an extent of about 10 parts per million, ozone is important because its formation prevents most ultraviolet and other high-energy radiation, which is harmful to life, from penetrating to the earth's surface. Ultraviolet light is absorbed when its strikes an ozone molecule; the molecule is split into atomic and diatomic oxygen: 03+ ultraviolet light ->0+02. Later, in the presence of a catalyst, the atomic and diatomic oxygen reunite to form ozone.
Ozone is also formed when an electric discharge passes through air; for example, it is formed by lightning and by some electric motors and generators. Ozone is produced commercially by passing dry air between two concentric-tube or plate electrodes connected to an alternating high voltage; this is called the silent electric discharge method. Since UV radiation is the problem, we can not use UV to produce more stratospheric ozone. Another method must be found. The shield acts like one plate of the electrode, when tickled with certain radio waves; it produces an opposite charge to stratospheric layers producing low atmosphere to stratosphere lightening. Creating ozone where it is needed.
5. If this is being done for the reasons you say, then why are other chemicals being used, why are different sprays being used?
Correcting the ecological damage that mankind has done has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. We are relatively new to this notion of terraforming on a real scale. That is what we are doing, Terraforming. We are trying to recreate the ideal life-sustaining conditions on a dying planet. We have never done this before, not intentionally. We are testing and trying different methods. Granted, if we do nothing 89% of all species will go extinct and humanity stands a high chance of not surviving through two more generations (or less). However the idea of 2 billion casualties death and permanent injury is not easy to swallow either.
Several attempts to improve the application of Shielding material and getting the most out of each application are taking place all the time. The combined resources of the nations of earth are not enough to allow constant spraying. Though we have achieved a high level of technology, there is a great surface area that needs to be covered nearly daily. Large sections of ocean are all but ignored; the remaining land masses are more than what can be covered effectively. The Shield would work best if it was a single thin layer without interruption, however due to the movement of air, weather patterns and the sad fact that we do not have the means to place ample amounts of material at the same level at the same time we are getting a small fraction of the effectiveness from our applications.
6. Why is spraying found before storm fronts? Is it to cause drought?
Before a storm there is a front, the front clears the air before a storm, pushing particulate matter ahead of it, leaving a space relatively clear of particulate matter. UV radiation levels rise in these areas, sometimes to dangerous levels. The shield must be maintained. Since barium absorbs water as well as carbon dioxide, precipitation has been affected. Other kinds of sprays are in development and testing which may reduce the affects on precipitation. As I stated above, this is a new technology we are working with, it is still in its infancy and there are some problems with it.
7. Why are UFO's and disappearing spray planes reported?
I do not know.
8. What about the reports of sickness after spraying?
There are several causatives for this. Some people are more sensitive to metals, whiles others are sensitive to the polymer chemicals. As stated in a previous email, people will get sick, and some will die. It is estimated that 2 billion worldwide will be affected to some degree by the spraying. Without spraying we have a 90% + chance of becoming extinct as a species with in the next 20 years.
9. What is the relationship between these spraying programs and One World Order?
Personally I am against the move for globalization, and yes, there is potential to use the Shield to speed up the process of globalization, there are several countries that are involved in this project: European Union Nations, USA and Russia are the largest contributors to the project, many of the allied nations and UN Members participate to one extent or another. The material (chemical spray as you may call it) comes from all of these nations.
To insure that the chemicals are not tampered with, they are mixed and sprayed over random nations. This means that chemicals produced in the USA has a good chance of being sprayed over Russia, England and the USA. This random spray of material means that no nation would be certain that their chemicals will be sprayed over a nation which they have issues with. Russian planes may be seen in USA skies, but so too will USA planes be seen in Russian skies. The canisters used are sealed in a third nation that has no idea where its canister is going. Participating nations have their observers at every station where canister loading is done. All of this to insure that the shield is not used as a weapon. To further insure that the shield is not used as a weapon, non participant nations are sprayed by participants who must spray in order to get enough material to maintain their nations shield. It is understood that not spraying is as much a military offense as shooting at them.
Without the shield, UV poisoning would cause great death. The threat is a common one, which has brought nations together in defense. The natural outcome of having a common enemy is to strengthen international ties - a step toward globalization.
10. Is the Spraying related to terrorism?
Yes and no. Recent terrorist activity can be traced to resistance groups who feel that we should not interfere with the natural order of things. As you know, there are many rumors out there as to what the Shield Program is. Some believe that this is a population reduction scheme, designed to kill off 'undesirable' peoples. While others hold that this is a mind control program. There are many theories which have sinister plots in them these are propagated by the resistance groups in an attempt to stop the shield regardless of the consequences.
The same delivery method could be used for biological and chemical warfare. It could also be used to inoculate large populations, the effectiveness of these uses are low, there are better methods that can be used. As a means to fight terrorism it is ineffectual, it is far easier to inoculate a population individually and would insure full inoculation against germ warfare.
11. Why all the secrecy?
Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.
UV Summer and Global Warming are the immediate problems we face, there are far greater problems that are raising their ugly heads and will present new problems which in some cases have no viable solutions at this time. Ecologies are collapsing. The extinction rate of species is climbing. The amount of chemical pollutants in the water and soil are fast approaching and in many places has surpassed the earth's ability to heal itself. Crop failure is on the rise, even in the USA the returns on crops are smaller than they were 10 years ago. Even with the advances in genetically altered food crops, we are falling behind in our ability to produce enough to go around. Throughout the 20th century chemical fertilizers and pesticides were used to insure the best yields. Unfortunately many of these have contaminated ground water, killed beneficial insects along with the undesirable insects. These chemicals have gotten into the food chain and are affected other species besides mankind. It is only a matter of years before famine spreads like a cancer throughout the world.
Clean fresh water is in short supply, in many places well water is non-potable, containing the run off of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that have been used on crops and lawns. The water treatment facilities we have are unable to scrub out all of the toxins we have placed in the soil and water supply. Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records. For decades there was public outcry for the end to pollution. For every small step we made to clean up our production, millions where born who added to the problem. Yes, pollution is down per individual, however there are a couple more billion individuals producing pollution, thus the real numbers have an increase in over all pollution produced. Name a city that does not have problems with smog. You would be hard pressed to find one. Though smog controls on automobiles is higher than ever before, the number of autos on the road has increased thus the amount of smog producing pollutants is higher than ever before. All the clean air acts passed to curb individual factory and auto emissions did not address the production of more factories and more autos. Here an uneasy compromise was made between the need to maintain the economy against the need to maintain the ecology. The ecology lost since it was estimated to be a problem decades from now. The economy was a problem that would have dire effects today.
All of these factors combined have produced a scenario that in shorts boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years. Even if we were to stop all emissions of pollution today, the inertia of past decades is enough to carry us over the brink in 100 years. However we cannot stop the production of pollution, to do so would mean shutting down every factory, every auto, every train, truck, ship and every household on the planet. Electricity is used to heat many homes in the Western World. The production of electricity produces fewer pollutants than heating all homes with wood or coal. Cutting our power generation abilities down to hydroelectric and fission reactors would leave a good chunk of the world in the dark. It is an impossible situation, our civilization is geared to the use of energy, take away our energy and civilization will collapse.
12. When will spraying stop?
There are several factors governing this:
A. Should the Ozone layer repair itself or our active attempts at repair reduces the amount of ground level UV to acceptable levels, spraying will stop. Present calculations place this between 2018 and 2024.
B. Should another method be found which is more effective, less costly or presents us with long-term solutions the Shield project would be replaced.
C. When the other problems become too big to make the maintenance of the shield worth the effort. The estimated date for this is 2025 to 2050.
13. Since Global Warming and UV summer are the problem, why is the Government backing down on its pollution controls?
Because they are ineffectual and will cause more economic problems than they would solve ecological problems. We surpassed the threshold of Earth's ability to absorb pollutants in the 1970's. Since that time the earth's population has nearly doubled. Emerging Industrial nations have come into being, more pollutants are produced now than back then, even with the stringent controls in place. The world is heading for economic depression, more emission controls would add to the economic problems. This translates into our being unable to do anything to start solving the problems.
Unfortunately our technologies require a strong economy to advance. We need that advancement, we need the trillions of dollars spent on research that a strong economy causes. Each corporation that produces a product has a product development program in place. Many of the past products invented came by accident through other unrelated products. There is a corporate drive to find methods to clean up the ecology, to reduce emissions, etc. These goals have been in place for decades, many of the large corporations are in the know when it comes to the ecological problems we face thus they are spending a great deal of money and time on finding solutions to the problems we face. Take away the economy and their research stops.
14. How are you related to the Chemtrails? How do you know that this is what is happening?
I would prefer to not state who I am or how I am related to all of this. To validate what I say, would require a bit of research on your behalf. I would recommend the following subjects to look up and study:
A. Population numbers for industrial nations and the tons of pollutants produced annually. Start with 1975 and work your way up.
B. Number of emerging Industrial Nations.
C. Number of cases of Skin cancers worldwide.
D. Crop Production vs. land area dedicated to crop production. Simple math will show that more acreage is needed to produce food per individual.
E. Automobile production from 1975 to present, estimated number of autos on the road and the average emissions of later model cars produced as compared the emissions of earlier model cars. A little math will show that though individual autos produce less emissions, the amount of emissions has risen due to the number of autos on the road. Remember that many autos are the road that were built before present emission control standards. 1980 is a cut off date - anything put on the road before then produces more pollutants than autos produced today. I would include research in the number of diesel autos produced, diesel has not been under the emissions control acts.
F. Severity of storms and the number of severe storms. Also include heat waves and droughts in that research, you will find that the numbers are staggering when compared to data from 1950, 1960 and 1970.
G. Research how naturally occurring Ozone is produced in the stratosphere. Compare to how it is produced industrially.
H. Research political reforms in the past 30 years, see which political institutions have changed, which nations have joined with whom. Concentrate more on these from 1982 onward. This would include the fall of the Wall and Iron Curtain.
I. Research polymers and how they are made, look at recent research done in biological polymers, medical polymers and filaments.
J. Check out spiders and spider web and the way spiders use their different webs and threads.
K. Research clean fresh water estimates as compared to the 1970's to today - world wide.
L. Research the following medical conditions per capita: Birth Defects Cancers Leukemia Immune deficiency diseases (excluding virus borne ID illnesses such as HIV) Occurrences of Learning disabilities, including dyslexia, ADD, and over all IQ tests Sterility for both male and females world wide Instances of glaucoma and cataracts.
M. Compare the history of UV indexes from 1970 to present. You may note that it was on sharp rise until 1997-99.
N. I would strongly recommend researching the reactions of different barium and aluminum compounds and how they are used. Research how long it takes for these metals in pure form to oxidize, how they combine with nitrates, carbon monoxide carbon dioxide and fluorocarbons and hydrocarbons and water vapor.
O. Research how mold propagates, the conditions it needs to grow and just how abundant it is in the atmosphere.
If you pursue these lines of inquiry, you will see the Shield Project as it really is.
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At the time of the US-lead invasion of Iraq I had the opportunity to ask a few supplementary questions. There has been no attempt to integrate these questions and answers into the previous section therefore some may appear somewhat out of logical order.
A couple of the questions have a Canadian approach. By the way, I came up with the name - have to call the source something!
Here we quote the further communication from "Deep Shield":
15. Could you, "Deep Shield" - be described as a scientist or...?
Scientist is a good generic term. I do study and research in a scientific manner. I carry papers and degrees. My official capacity is in direct research of atmospheric issues in relation to pollutants. I also create models of potential long-term effects of green house gasses on the climate. Predict wind patterns, weather patterns, etc.
I have spent a good many years working on the project calculating the amount of material needed and creating models for dispersion patterns. I work other members who know the chemicals used and their interactions with the atmosphere, pollution and water vapor. I am part of a team which itself is part of a larger team, which is part of still a larger team. Government work with many chiefs and levels above the workers.
16. Are you prepared to comment upon your personal motives for sharing this information?
Not at this time, no.
17. Have you signed a non-disclosure or Secrets Act document that specifically relates to this project?
Yes.
18. To your knowledge what categories of individuals officially know of the Project and are expected to remain silent? For example, my list of suspects includes government down to the county level, military especially air force, meteorologists, health specialists, mainstream media etc.
All those who know are expected to remain silent. All of those who suspect are either faced with trying to prove the virtually unprovable or are faced with good enough reasons to remain silent. I would assume that this situation is worldwide and could be considered one of the dangers of this project.
It was presented to me as a matter of national security. I can see the reasons why there is a desire to repress the information not that spraying is taking place but the hard little fact that we are facing a period of human history which might be the end of civilization.
19. Is the mainstream controlled media specifically ordered to avoid any mention of chemtrails? If so, have you anything further to add such as how was this done?
I would assume that the Media is controlled by its own desire to make money from what it reports. Since there is enough debunking out there, which says that contrails are part of the normal use of jet engines in the atmosphere, this would leave a reporter with very little to report unless there was solid evidence or pictures or something that could not be explained away.
You must know by now all the debunking methods that have been employed. The 'official' announcements are the media's main dish. The rest they regulate to the realm of the National Enquirer.
20. What government agency or agencies control this program? Is it under international control?
It is an international program. Many nations contribute in different ways. Measures have been taken to insure that what is sprayed over all countries is the same through triple blind deliveries; which include not knowing where a certain canister will end up, not knowing which aircraft a certain canister will be flown, and not even knowing who (in military craft) will be piloting a craft which has the purpose of spraying (Note: in today's world there is usually a mixed crew of different nationalities flying any one military aircraft on a Shield mission). I believe the Media caught Canadians in Iraq recently when Canada's official say on the matter was that Canada was not giving any support to the military might.
The fact remains that there were Canadian military with the USA forces. Some on aircraft carriers most being pilots. I think you can connect the dots.
21. How is the project funded - who pays for it? Have you any idea of the total direct operating cost? Also, does Canada make a funding contribution for the activities in our skies?
Most governments tend to over charge themselves to cover for their black operations (unofficial operations). That money comes out of the collection of taxes. So in effect the taxpayers of the world are paying for this project.
I would assume Canada does contribute funding to the Project. Canada is one of the top nations contributing time, material and funding to this project. Most of the Free World, the Western World, has taken on most of the burden of the costs.
22. Is the Shield Project the only such aerial spraying program?
Is it the only project designed to avert ecological disaster? Then yes. There are countless other projects that could be taking place which include spraying of some sort or another. Pesticides are usually sprayed. There has been great interest in weather control such as bringing rain to arid regions and taking the punch out of hurricanes and typhoons.
Weather control may be one of the final options left to us. Considering the amount of global warming that has taken place. There is a strong need to deflect a storm's fury, or to bring rain back to those regions which have been suffering drought.
What Mother Nature has done for millions of years automatically may now require mankind's hand to keep the schedule.
23. There are reports of four different chemtrail programs and other "code" names. For example, see: Holmestead: Chemtrails - what are they? Any comments?
It is possible that the Military does have a use for similar sprays. I cannot speak for the Military. However, my own personal research has come across these things as well. Are they possible? Yes. Are they practical? Only in the small scale say over the battlefield, or in the case of say the Iraq War, over Baghdad. Global application would be far too expensive and would require an obvious flight pattern of grids, circles and other heavy spray patterns.
24. Is all the spraying done using the "tank kits" described earlier or are the KC-135R and KC-10 types filled to the brim? Such aircraft have a load capacity of 200,000 pounds or more for refueling missions.
No. Several types of craft are used. Commercial jet airliners are used and they are not diverted from their flight paths to do so. How the canisters and the spraying is done on this kind of craft is unknown to me exactly. I do have my suspicions. I know best that which is my field; this is not to say that we do not talk around the water tank. So I know more than just my area and am able to think the matter through to its logical end.
I do know that even all the commercial jetliners in use are not enough to insure complete coverage all of the time. My computer models require knowing how much material needs to be sprayed. Certain conditions cause wide areas to suddenly (over hours) open up in the Shield. Then and only then is mass spraying done - and would be done with the most logical craft, a tanker.
Why not spray more from individual jetliners? That is one of the problems. Jetliners do not carry much material (100 to 500 gallons) because the material has to be spread out thinly.
Look at the kinds of material being used, aluminum, barium, titanium, etc. Most are highly reflective; in some instances the material is an absorber of gasses. In the case of reflection the desire is to reflect X amount of heat and X amount of UV while still maintaining acceptable (nominal) levels of UV and heat reaching the planet's surface.
Life requires a certain amount of both UV and Heat too much will kill - so will too little. The apparent amount looks like a lot more than what is actually being sprayed per volume of air it is covering. Most of the whitening of the sky is not the material per se, but the collection of water vapor, which forms into suspended ice crystals. The introduction of the material causes the water vapor to collect like rain collects on individual particles of dust.
Too much material would cause a "mud fall" of sorts where the naturally occurring water vapor would precipitate carrying the material with it.
Spraying is done in such away as to "layer" the material through a volume that will allow an acceptable level of UV and heat through along with all the other wavelengths of light. Photosynthesis is the foundation of life on our planet.
Only when all the material is removed in a local area does it require a massive spray, this is usually in the front of a weather system, or after a heavy period of precipitation. Then a tanker is flown, fully loaded.
25. Is there any truth in the story that some of the spraying is done by jetliners with modifications in the "honey" or waste compartment? For example, see mechanic story: Mechanic.
The technology used for spraying is rather simple. It requires at least two tanks under pressure, each carries half of the mixture which is sprayed at the same time forming a complete compound which is designed to be lightweight (so as to be suspended for longer periods of time).
There have been attempts to incorporate the materials in jet fuel, however the material binds with unburned jet fuel, water vapor, etc and does not have the added buoyancy of the polymer threads. The end result is a spray that is less than half as effective and is more dangerous since it can lead to sulfates, acids and other mixtures, which are more lethal than the spray.
It is very possible that the "honey" compartment is used. The amount of material needed is small compared to the payload of any given commercial airliner.
However, there is a good deal of fuel tank that is not used. Airliners only fuel their craft for the journey ahead of them; they rarely top off the tank. This has become public knowledge in light of 9-11. It was this small fact that caused the terrorists to pick pan-continental flights so they would have a plane fully loaded.
The majority of flights are short range and do not require the full capacity of an airliners fuel tanks. Any adaptations needed could easily be done during routine maintenance, and could be easily explained away as being a modification for safety and-or pollution controls.
This last is my own theory.
We can assume that any means possible to deliver the material is tried. Independent nations may favor one way of doing so over another.
26. Where are the official sources that state that a certain number of people (worldwide?) will sicken and possibly die as a result of the spraying? In other words, what *internal* studies have been done on the health issues and who carried them out?
WHO (World Health Organization) carried out most of the studies. Other nations have carried their own research on the matter. Some have said the ill effects will be minimal - along the lines of a million or so, while others have found the numbers to be far higher - 3 to 4 billion.
Some of the organizations include the CDC and independent labs. We are dealing with a situation where the amount of contamination is estimated to be far higher than what would normally take place but is far lower than historical instances of industrial contamination. This is important to note, the only real history we have with barium/aluminum/titanium etc. contamination is through factory workers, miners, etc, who receive a far greater dosage of the material than what is to be experienced by the populace under the Shield.
The amount of spray is very small compared to the volume of the space that is covered. Most of the harmful chemicals that are used are being dissipated over vast areas. Near coastal regions the fall out is not reaching land at all, but is being carried out to the oceans. The addition of polymers to make the material remain suspended in the air longer means that less material is being used.
Today the material used and its application is nothing like in the early days when it was sprayed in greater quantities and settling far faster to be inhaled by all.
The accepted Estimated Casualties (from WHO) is 2 billion over the course of 6 decades. The majority will be either the elderly, or those who are prone to respiratory problems. These numbers are based on the current estimates of the general health of the population, the average age and the occurrence of respiratory problems as a health issue. All are estimates since there are no solid numbers to work with.
27. Could you summarize the root causes of the initial destruction of the atmosphere that requires this "repair" work? Did it perhaps result in part from fluorides released/produced by the nuclear weapons programs?
In a word - Industry. Most fail to understand that the products we use, wear and live with are made in a manner that dumps CFC's and green houses gasses into the atmosphere. There is no one single causative in this issue. It goes way back to the Industrial Revolution and the use of coal to power steam engines. Since that time we have consumed greater and greater energy resources, dumping the waste where ever we wanted.
Up until very recently refrigeration was a big contributor, imagine all those hundreds of millions of households that owned and operated freon cooled refrigerators from 1940 to 1970. Not just one refrigerator per household, but over the course of time often multiple freon units. This doesn't include the various air conditioner systems or industrial refrigeration systems.
For a long period when the refrigerator or air conditioner unit was replaced, the old one was taken to the dump and thrown into the heap - the freon was free to escape and make its way up into the stratosphere to eat away at the ozone layer.
You can add to that list. Think of all the cars that had air conditioners, think of all those hair spray cans with their propellant gasses - the amount of those alone were enough to do great damage.
Styrofoam is another industry and product that has contributed to the problem. In the scheme of things atomic energy has contributed little compared to the consumer goods that have been manufactured during the past century.
Think of all the cars on the road today. In the late 1970's smog controls started getting stronger. Think of all the pre-1978 cars on the road - they are still producing a good many chemicals that leech into every corner of the globe.
28. Have you any comment on the use of so-called "CloudBusters" based upon the theories of Wilhelm Reich? For an example of this see: CloudBuster.
I could go on for hours about the particular errors of this site. (15 September 2005: Note that due to misunderstanding of this answer by some it is necessary to make clear that this reference by DS is to the: CloudBuster web site mentioned in the question.) Let us just cut to the chase: I seriously doubt that this machine does as it is reported to do. I could be wrong, but then I do not work with alternative energy sources such as Orgone energy.
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Points to Ponder: Conroy Penner, British Columbia.
Here is the second item mentioned above:
Conroy Penner, of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada contacted me directly with his story. He told me that some years ago he used to work for a certain company in Western Canada and along with another person who was a qualified aerospace welder/fabricator he was assigned to work on construction of some special spray equipment for the United States Air Force.
The workers were told that the USAF contract involved equipment to be used to spray insects at airforce bases in the States. The spray systems incorporated exotic alloys and specially machined parts with large holding, pressure and surge tanks along with pumps. Penner became suspicious of the actual purpose of the whole project as, in his opinion, things simply did not "add up". He resigned after there were confrontations with the US military people and the management over the true purpose of the equipment.
Penner provided this photograph, that was taken in 1988 of some finished spray equipment on a flat bed trailer. There are parts carts in the foreground.
The description states that the green tank sections are coated aluminum and the others are stainless steel for certain other chemicals. The smaller tanks are for the solution for purging the system. The large tanks are some 15 feet long and approximately 3 feet in diameter. The box seen at the right side of the photograph is the control panel, and the plumbing and pumps are underneath the tanks. It is said that these units were designed for use with Hercules C-130 aircraft and it is understood that in total eleven systems were to be made, this being the first.
I have on hand many other specifics from Penner but that is the general outline. All of this took place in 1988/89.
Comments: There are obviously some problems with this - it would be great to have the exact dates along with the names of the company management involved. Also the names and rank of the US military personnel involved is lacking.
As for the equipment itself - it looks much as if it could be ordinary aerial spraying systems - that is because indeed it may be just that with suitable modifications for the specialized USAF requirements. At this time the aerial spraying programme (chemtrails) was in the early stages of experimental development. Certainly at first it was reported that the C-130 was seen being used for aerial spraying (of unknown substances) and only later were the large refueling tankers seen spraying "chemtrails".
Further comments: Added 26 March 2003 - is an addition from (and confirmed by) the source of the main item above.
The canisters that are shown above are similar to what is known to be incorporated into this programme.
Two large ones are carried, one carrying one part of the chemical mix, the other carrying the other part, when combined they form long polymer chains - threads if you will. Even the green tint finish is typical.
However, the way it is understood here, is that the small tank provides the propellant (compressed gas) which is released into the larger tank. Much like a large aerosol can, except the compressed gas is stored in a separate tank which is much stronger, and able to sustain a far greater pressure than a larger tank.
Further confirmation of this particular aerial spray system is found at this United States Air Force Reserve, 910th Airlift Wing of Youngstown, Ohio website: Air Force Reserve - MASS. Plus, here is a second Air Force web site showing the MASS in use for aerial spraying. These pages will open in a separate window and may be kept open, minimized or closed to return here. Here the first page is quoted in part:
"Six Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS) are available at the 910 AW to conduct aerial spray missions.
Each system can be configured with up to four 500 gallon tanks for a total volume of 2000 gallons.
USAF C-130 MODULAR AERIAL SPRAY SYSTEM (MASS)
The Aircraft. Four C-130H aircraft are modified to perform aerial application. Modifications consist mostly of ULV (Ultra-Low Volume) and LV (Low Volume) wing line installation and electrical modifications.
Spray System. The MASS is built by Lockheed/Conair. One of the major design criteria of the MASS was that it had to be a "roll-on/roll-off" system allowing the aircraft to be reconfigured for spray or airlift in under an hour. To accommodate the Roll-on/Roll-off design, the full MASS is designed in 3 modules, each attached to modified standard (463L) aircraft cargo pallets. The operators console, pumps, catwalks, and cradles for flush and chemical tanks are all secured to these modified pallets. The pallets lock into the C-130's dual rail system. Once the MASS is loaded, interconnecting plumbing and electrical circuits tie the MASS modules together. To contain any spillage of spray materials, a 1.5" lip (drip pan) surrounds the pallets. The dry weight of the MASS is ca. 10,500 lbs."
The 910 Airlift Wing webpage continues with more technical and operational details.
Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:29:10 PM
Yep clear as Mud
Anonymous...
> Yep clear as Mud
Time to pour oil on troubled waters ?
USA, 50% of world military spending. They zip around in their warp ships
while we're distracted by Iraq. Many 'black budget' operatives want
to end the secrecy. What kind of baroque situation is this ? What phenomenon
would make it acceptable to face 'the weird' ?
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John, see it's all the same.
Since spring is here, so do as a namesake is praised for doing. Spreading and planting SEED.
Free your mind, FREE YOUR MIND
hi RCH hi
King Solomon's Grave
Hi everyone,
I'm reading with you all, catching up, chasing links. Great stuff by the way.
I don't have much to add just yet, although I did find a few new news paper articles that tweaked me in their order of appearance.
I'll follow up later with that.
Ms T only the strongest souls get the toughest challenges.
You are so very strong Ms T, your own conditions being seemingly enough. Your additional task here is immense and if you are having to deal with 'dimentia' or Alzheimer's in the situation as well, I understand your heart ache. Since reading your earlier comments I think about you "Every Day, more than once, and send you some 'sympathetic regard' each time you come up. You hang in there. I could see no better person for that role than you.
Hearing the fearing, feeling the feeling.
Keep feeling Ms T, keep loving, there is so much authentic affection for you amongst us here, we wish you strength and offer our support, however virtual it 'appears' here from our many different places we reside.
The Fool-Hi
you said to Ms T.: the fool
His advice to Anakin Skywalker was to “Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.” MUCH easier said than done. Which leads me to my 3rd quote from FSHOD’s Wisdom Dispenser, Ion.
IonTruO2-Having just installed a paper towel dispenser minutes ago, I had to laugh at your term "F-Shod's Wisdom Dispenser" lol :) really thats funny! Thank you for such kindness.
Your best feelings were to Ms T there and I was touched by your gesture. Good on ya, no Fool.
Jas-
had said:
Look! behind the curtain...
Yeps no-Fool, that's how Ion came to be the ships pastor and priest... many wise words flow from our bredren Ion...
...and also cos I was toasting all da new-comers, mi saber was a bit trigger happy... wasn't always my fault mind... honest...
How is da cold/heat/cold/heat/heat... up there in da North Ion?
Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:48:05 AM
IonTruO2-Spring has Sprung here my herbal annointed brother! Beautiful weather, melt down is occurring! Horses are very happy ,yet now impatient for the grass to grow. Why just yesterday, I was sitting our front our 'happy chairs' sipping a glass of Chilean red-merlot and catching some of them fine sun rays. Even the wind took a break for a few days.
So, thanks for the hi-priestly praise, I am but a humble servant of the 'higher' good, although I will admit Jas, it was fun making troll kabobs a few times. hi hi hi (Jas takes away my lightsabre and instead gives me back the flashlight...oh well back to illumination) :)
Peace all- tune with you later
{{{{{{{Ms T}}}}}}}
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