Monday, September 11, 2006
Failure To Evolve
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Well, here we are...the 5th anniversary of '9/11'. So much as happened in 5 years time, but what has been accomplished? There's more money being spent on the accoutrements of war, fewer dollars spent in area that might foster 'peace'...more people thinking we need to 'spread democracy', fewer civil liberties...more people believing in God, fewer people acting God-like. And more of the same on the way.
Space Shuttle Discovery launched and landed and Atlantis has launched and docked with ISS. But we know that the Shuttle program is soon to end. There is more and more news of the new effort to put man back on the Moon, and to venture to Mars...Project Orion. And while the project has the potential to be, in the words of Capt. Eugene Cernan, "a giant leap forward" and while I would love to see this come to fruition...I have a few doubts and fears.
Firstly, our good friend and fellow 'Shoddie' Robert, may your beard grow ever longer, often exhorts any who will listen to "Hijack that Starship!". Now this has a special meaning to us, but my fear is that the 'wrong people' have the ways and means to do just that. I have long felt, and we here have discussed, that there is a potential for other 'program needs' to develop, needs that will require increased 'security' in space, to protect our assets, or some such ruse. My fear is that those needs will somehow be aligned, like our needs in the 'War on Terrorism" were, by those writers and proponents of PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century". Part of their stated aim to ensure a Pax Americana is the need to develop and deploy a global missile defense system and to develop a strategic dominance of space. Inasmuch as the funds and resources for conducting the "War on Terror" in Afghanistan and against bin Laden were 'hijacked' for use in the 'un-War on Terror' in Iraq, I greatly fear that Project Orion's funds and resources will be 'hijacked' by these same forces, to achieve yet another of their insidious purposes. Since the company involved with building the Project Orion fleet (e.g. Lockheed-Martin) is also deeply involved in producing, for the highest dollar, the above-mentioned "accoutrements of war", how much easier for the hijacking to occur?
Secondly, to make way for the Orion Project a vast number of other programs are being effected adversely. According to one more scientifically cogent members, the following changes have been made:
Dawn: Cancelled. (again)
* SOFIA (Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy): Cancelled.
* Mission to Europa: Cancelled.
* Jupiter Icy Moon Orbiter (JIMO): Cancelled
* Terrestrial Planet Finder: Cancelled.
* SIM Planet Quest: Delayed.
* Mars Sample Return Mission: Delayed Indefinitely.
* Two Mars Scout missions planned for after 2011 were removed from the four year planning budget.
* Explorer Program: cut drastically with the earliest launch coming in 2014.
* Beyond Einstein: delayed indefinitely.
* Landsat: delay in launch of satellite to replace and upgrade Landsat 7, launched in 1999.
* Earth Observing System: If cut, satellites such as Aqua (2002) and Terra (1999) would not be replaced when they fail.
* Global Precipitation Measuring Mission: The launch pushed back to 2012.
* Deep Space Climate Observatory: cancelled.
* National Polar-Orbiting Operational Environmental Satellite System: Under review.
* Keck Observatory upgrade: cancelled
According to Capt. Cernan's statement (see link above), he optimistically projects a great many benefits in education and research as a result of the Orion Project. However, the scope of the cancellations above must certainly weigh the scales of scientific justice heavily on the negative side. And not only the scope of the science and subject matter impacted, but by the sheer number of educational organizations that will lose the funding, if not their raison de etre. This could have the devastating effect of putting the reliance of developing our future scientists into a limited number of universities...effectively putting all our eggs in one basket...AND limiting opportunities for deserving minds and talent. In my thinking, 'diversity'...of programs, sciences and facilities performing this work...is the key to our future success or, my fear, of the future demise of this country's scientific capability and will.
Surprisingly, what has inspired this train of thought was yet another book that I recently read. The author is Stephen Baxter, the book is Evolution, which this Amazon reviewer (see link) characterizes as the novelization of millions of years of evolution. Aptly put. I found it a fascinating read, a real page turner...and thoroughly depressing. For at the end we come face to face with the end of not only the lives of all primates, but of all life on earth itself. Most sobering...and it made me mad...damned mad!
We can speculate all we want about the universe possibly being filled with life. I believe that it is. But the fact is, we're the only 'intelligent life' we've met up with. And I think we owe it to the species, not only homo sapiens but all life on Earth, to build a lifeboat, to find a habitable or terraformable planet and to start an outpost...lots of them! And that requires a stronger national commitment to science and exploration. It requires more than the "one percent of the national budget" that Capt. Cernan says Americans currently accept as enough money for NASA. It requires humanity to 'evolve' a little and cease the constant warring over ideology and religion and property that has been the hallmark of 'civilization' since Catal Huyuk, if not further back into the depths of time.
One day in the future, be it due to an asteroid, cosmic dust cloud or the death throes of our Sun, Earth will cease to sustain life. This is inevitable. We have the knowledge, we have the resources...we either lack the will, or is it that some other forces are focusing our energy and resources towards what can prove to be a finite, meaningless existence on Earth.
If this goes on, our failure to reach for the stars will result in the ultimate failure to evolve.
posted by Anonymous at 9/11/2006 09:11:00 PM
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I'll post the pictures I had for the new blog tomorrow. I wanna watch Propaganda path To 9/11......
AH! Sweet GOD!!! It's a Condi Look-a-like! Thar be more than one Reptilian Alien Lizard Woman!
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!
Excellent post. One look at our current leadership and it's clear we are failing to evolve. I find both the situation with NASA and the current warmongering disguised as spreading democracy equally depressing.
Gene Roddenberry and his writing partners from the original Star Trek and the Next Generation speculated very dark times for humanity before we as sentient beings finally come to our senses and look at something bigger than our petty squabbles and then really do something positive about it. This is one aspect of Star Trek that I think I still somewhat cling to is that after the darkness there is in fact a great light worth surviving for.
Weaponising space. Also sounds like a plot to the Star Trek episode Assignment Earth which among other things was a nice cautionary tale about the folly of putting nukes in orbit let alone whatever Tesla weapons they put up there with them. I despair at the squandering of resources both human and financial when it comes to the opportunities we are throwing away to be better beings than we have been lately. If the money we spend on war were spent on peace and exploration the last 100 years would have been the best time to be alive in human history.
It's the oppression that is killing us, as well as the suppression and, ourselves. We, as people, free thinking people as we like to believe. Are becoming, if have not become, our own worst enemy. We have spurned opportunities to advance as a species in the name of profit. We are poisoning our world and ourselves. We "elect" unqualified persons to govern, all who are wholly incapable of serving the people because there are no good candidates.
Many say we have a lot to be grateful for, it all depends on your point of view. Looking at our reality, there is less and less to be grateful for let alone anything to look forward to.
Regarding the Orion Project, I have no faith in it's ability to be anything other than another endless money pit that will yield no results. Except, for those in the money shower it provides. I live for the day we all "awaken" and move beyond the current reality that we all find so abhorent.
Wayne
Excellent blog entry.
The 'Evolution' example is appropriate because as I have said again and again...
It is about SURVIVALBILITY stupid!
It REALLY is that simple!
And for ALL life.
Our destiny HAS been 'Hijacked' away from what and where we should have been. Only those who are the 'inside' of the Secret Space Program of Area 51 and DOD programs have the power to break this cycle of lunacy that will doom even them and certainly their children and grandchildren from a future free from anihiliation.
I often despair of our species survival becuase of greed for political and monetary wealth. Those in power forget that before the CREATOR of the UNIVERSE they are a mere mote like any other being. You cannot take your political power or monetary wealth with you beyond death into the great 'in-between'. At tht moment the Universe and YOU will be all ALONE and the UNIVERSE will be asking some questions:
WHO ARE YOU? WHAT DO YOU WANT?
WHEN YOUR HEART IS STOPPED AND BREATH IS CAUGHT.
WHY ARE YOU HERE? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEN?
What will your answers be?
Bob... :D
http://commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/
Click on the "V" to "visualize" the effect.
http://cygnid.blogspot.com/
Thanks, all. Hadn't planned the blog to come out that way...it just did. Had been thinking of the theme about Evolution since I read the book...somehow it seemed to mesh with 9/11 and further threats from TPTB. Thanks for your inspiration, Robert!
Any of you folks wat that Path to 9/11?
Some wierd audo and visual things towards the end...almost like some hypnotic effect? Anybody catch that? Visual, as camera was panning down an FAA or regional A/T Control center...the lights from the overhead flouescents was pulsating in rainbow U-shapes. Then about 3 or 4 minutes later, the was a continuous single-beat monotone repeated over and over.
Seemed....very odd. Something very psy-op-ish about this whole show. My feeling is it's meant to arouse/reignite our negative feelings towards Islamic Arabs...use 'hate' to unite us?
Seemed....very odd. Something very psy-op-ish about this whole show. My feeling is it's meant to arouse/reignite our negative feelings towards Islamic Arabs...use 'hate' to unite us?
Damn right its a psy-op !
SK, thnx for great thoughtful blog post.
My feelings on the matter are exactly as Robert just said so well...thnx Robert !
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Mac, re Greer,
Any opinions on Steven Greer? I listened on and off last nite. The BS meter pegged a couple of times. If he knows all this, how's come he's not dead?
Good question.
But I'm a Greer fan, so take my opinion with a pint of Narraganset Bay salt water. (sometimes I miss New England, like Scarlet and the climate)
In response to your question, Greer did say that he and his assistant both came down with a very rare cancer (she died). His doctor told him there was something impossible about how Greer's cancer was at a certain stage, implying that he was 'given' the cancer.
Other possibilities;
- he is part of the disinfo noise, (but that seems unlikely, if you read his new book and see his dvd of witnesses) You can see some witness press conference video online at his site.
-they are letting him speak, as a way to measure public response/apathy. I believe they run ops just to measure public response, such as Y2K, which could have been avoided, cux it was known about way ahead of time
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I recommend his new book: "Hidden truth - Forbidden Knowledge".
In the book he pretty much lays it on the line, bares his soul.
Anybody have a "need to know" concerning RCH's Oct. 6 announcement. It may have something to do with the link I posted above...or...not..
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/TheRanch2005/TheRanch.htm
The self-deluded PR juggernaut now wants to hole themselves up in a Ranch ?
Is it a store-front ? Or, is it a retreat ?
IMHO,
It's a trap by poseurs who pretend to be (& speak for) Self-Directeds.
If you are an inventor - stay home - they'll pick your brains & induce you into time wasting ventures ...
The TEM name hints that its original intent was to (mis)lead Trekkies
The name begs the questions : What kind of Enterprise ? Mission ? By whom ? To where ?
The MISSION of Wall Street capitalism - the Captains of somewhat Free Enterprise :
to short-circuit threats within the "publics". That's what SRI is working out ...
Who is being "oppressed" without conscience or debate ?
Women (at their sexual peak) are being fatigued into compliance through medication ...
Men (at their sexual peak) are taking the 'self-directed' drug route & being jailed.
Interesting that it is the publics that forced the retreat from Vietnam being targeted.
In the 1960's, non-political groups became political to stop the war
Students are kept in debt & on strict diets of Macaroni & Cheese (aka Kraft Dinner aka the orange death)
Women were sold an entirely new Myth of Gracious Living
Quotas & economics led them into work and suddenly raising a family is roundly dismissed as "house-work"
Back to RCH
When a resume sparkles like the resume of a MADE man ... it's time to ask some questions
Is it reasonable to trust 18yr olds with science ? Or, astro-science ?
Probably not.
What kind of resume won the position ? What kind of resume's (with better science) were rejected ?
But ... maybe the figurehead is ballast ...
Another question
Do you trust 18yr olds with Public Relations ? Sure, why not.
Who would suspect/accuse a kid that is excited about Outer Space ?
The Ranch is a rumour designed to capture imaginations
It's a fake dream ... a long-term unachievable goal.
The long term goals will look grass-roots -
and suddenly,
no need to put "the Ranch" into their Prospectus.
The unholy alliance is interested in attracting investors & donors
The TEM Blog was to prove something to someone alright ...
RCH wanted to boost his numbers to mount a PR campaign.
Anyone get ahold of his Tax Returns - to see how it's working out for them ?
CC,
Do not interpret this as a 'challenge', please....but in your next to the last post you make a variety of statements...but taken all together, I think I know what you are trying to say...but then I don't.
Can you possibly clarify the points you are trying to make, expound on the logic used to build your 'argument' and then make a conclusion?
I don't quite get it.
Eric,
Looking at that link, all I can say and wonder is "WTF?".
And in that Business Strategy diagram, is there some 'embedded' savred geometry gwine on? There's seems to be a quasi-pentagram there! lol!
I'm not sure I understand the question
RCH is not playing to the audience ...
he's playing to the gallery that feeds him
the method to his apparent madness
he's part of the 'science-al-qaeda' ...
Hi all...
College online is the main factor for me not being here often, but this is important...
I VOTED TODAY!!!
While not as interesting an experience as my first time at jury duty, you can read about it on my blog (newenterprisecrewman.blogspot.com)...
Btw, that pic of the Orion Nebula is kool. I have that same pic as one of my wallpaper choices...
John
This just in from the Wayne Madsen Report:
Sept. 12, 2006 -- According to sources who worked with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) at Ground Zero on and after 911, residents of southern Manhattan and rescue and clean-up workers involved in the recovery operations at the site of the former World Trade Center are experiencing an unusually high rate of non-Hodgkin lymphoma -- a cancer that is common among individuals who have been exposed to extremely high levels of ionizing radiation, such as that from nuclear blasts and major nuclear reactor leaks. In addition to the respiratory problems among rescue workers at Ground Zero who breathed toxic "pulverized" concrete and other debris into their lungs, the radiation cancer is of extreme interest to researchers who suspect that the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 were brought down with the help of high energy releases. WMR spoke to a number of individuals who were at Ground Zero on 911 who are now experiencing symptoms resulting from severe damage to their immune systems -- a condition that is common among those exposed to high levels of radiation.
CC said:
The unholy alliance is interested in attracting investors & donors
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Spend, say an hour, and put the esteemed "Consortium" under a microscope.
(Thank goodness, I managed that, with a diaper change for the baby in between)
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/TheRanch2005/TheRanch.htm
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Intalek - a one-man software consulting service (some hands-on 'new tech' component work)
TAPTEN - A one-man "space & energy-activist Gary Voss" who has his "latest projects in building community focus on new technologies, as well as the upcoming TeslaTech Conference & his collaborative work with Unitel Aerospace." A real name-dropper, who ropes in Steven Greer and AmercicanAntiGravity, into his blog. His company has no website.
John Hutchison - of the grainy video with floating objects fame. Developer of something interesting. No one has killed him for his invention.
TeslaTech - a bookstore and information aggregator. ( I wonder if they bought the rights to use Nikola's pic on their logo)
TEM - The point of an 18 year old weilding such clout, got me checking on the reason for Enterprise at :http://www.enterprisemission.com/enterpri.html
In 1976 RCH and one Jerome Glenn (a White House consultant) gathered a quarter million signatures to rename the first shuttle. Jerome Glenn is a Futurist and now the Executive Director, Millenium project for the American Council for the United Nations. Lots of Futurists in SRI.
James Schwartz, Noah's Ark Research Foundation - no websitem no link, nada. What has Noah's Ark got to do with the Star of David (see their logo)?
Kiril Chukanov - his website says "Chukanovenergy.com will be limited in information about Quantum Free Energy research and practice for an undetermined period of time. Thank you for all of your support and interest in the possibilites of quantum energy. You will still be able to order books located in the "learning" section". It's now a bookstore?
Alfred Lambremont Webre, ICIS - Dr. Webre is an author, Fulbright Scholar and holds degrees from Yale University, Yale Law School (Yale Law School National Scholar), and the University of Texas Counseling Program.
He has taught Economics at Yale University (Economics Department) and Civil Liberties at the University of Texas (Government Department), and has been a futurist at Stanford Research Institute. His Chairman is Dr Carol Rosin, friend of Reichsfurher Wernher von Braun. Remember his death-bed warning to her?
Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy, PROJECT CAMELOT -
PROJECT CAMELOT's purpose is to provide a vehicle for researchers and 'whistleblowers' to get their stories out.
Larry Maurer and Michael Miller, UNITEL - Unitel Aerospace's website has been down for more than a month (based on whois records).
Gregory Keyock, XIGENT TECHNOLOGIES CONSORTIUM - A one-man operation by the look of things. Amateurish website.
David Schwartz, X-GENESIS
- "X-Genesis is partnering with companies to reach our goal of settling Mars. We are assembling the pieces of the mission like a jigsaw puzzle; each piece gets us closer to the goal." If you want to be a Science Advisor, join them NOW!
David Clarke, CTG LABS (UK) - built some "new tech" components, and a information aggregator.
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Sounds like squid-fishing to me. Shine at torch into the sea at night, and the squid come rushing to the light by the thousands.
I bet nothing has been laid down for the piece land they call 'The Ranch".
Thanks, SK, for the thought-provoking topic.
1% of the budget will not be sufficient to mobilise the entire nation to work at Orion's success. Just as Kennedy did before, this is an attempt to boost the national morale (and get more engineering grads working).
Pushing the envelope of space sciences should be an academic and industrial objective. Terrorists arent jealous of your rocketships :)
CC.. you missed Hutchison's website and his near neighbourly hometown of New West..
http://www.hutchisoneffect.biz/
Hutchison came to "our" attention vis a vis a post by Clan Destine. Reprinted in my "V" posting.
I have to admit that it looks like Hoagland followed the link posted by Clan Destine and was not one of the "founders" in the Ranchland project but a recent "interested party".
Sunking.. good observation on the pentagram. I have been reading about several military installations in the shape of pentagrams and swastikas and that the "shapes" have something to do with communicating with et.
Sorry about that. Didn't mean to take a turn for the "strange".
Thanks, John...yes, it is a cool pic.
Aarrrrrrrgghhh! Sept. 19th be 'Talk Like A Pirate Day' fer all ye lubbers.
OSOTP said:"Sounds like squid-fishing to me. Shine at torch into the sea at night, and the squid come rushing to the light by the thousands."
Rush to the light....where you sell them a book or two and perhaps a DVD and conference ticket?
I think you hit this nail on the head!!
Hey guys,
SK:Excellent blog. All i could think about yesterday, and all anyone said to me re:9/11 was : I can't belive its been 5 years. What the hell do we have show for it. Not much but more death and destruction.
RE: radiation cancer. My first thought was this: The experts say the jet fuel could not have brought down the towers...but they never said a nuclear device couldn't. I have to wonder if those shots of the plane where there appears to be missiles underneath might not just have been loaded with nuclear war heads.
I guess that's where they are going with this. (?)
UNI,
After I watched the Greer video, (thanks for sending me a copy) I felt pretty confident that Greer was doing this altruisticly. I felt as though the witnesses were very credible.
RCH:
Hummmm. I have always had a problem with Uncle Hoagie and his ego. He likes to name drop and that= credibility problems for me.
I will always be thankful for his daring to run up against the establishment and even present the Mars enigma, but lately his seemingly endless need to line his pockets hasd further jaded my feelings toward his ligitmacy. Who knows, maybe he will pull a rabbit out of a hat, but I'm not going to bet the farm on it.
Here a copy/paste of a topic I just created in The Florida Times-Union (Jacksonville's newspaper) Community Forum. Also a link...it will be interesting to se what response I get...if other than the usual "Bush-hater" and "Conspiracy Theorist" (as if those are something to be ashamed of).
http://cgi.jacksonville.com/cgi-bin/msgboard/boards/news/view.cgi?section=23249
Listening, last Friday, to all the venom cast against the Clintonista protestations about ABC's 'Path to 9/11" (i.e. free hype to encourage people to watch it), I decided to don my foil hat and watch the darned thing...all 5 hours.
Michael Medved (on Friday) had Cyrus Nowrasteh as a guest and it was an interesting radio show, with some good callers (I'm sure the angriest 'lefty' caller was actually a 'plant'). One caller wondered why all the right-wing radio shows got a copy of 'Path', whilst some of the principles (e.g. CLinton) didn't. Nowrasteh poo-pooed that concept saying all the major mainstream media (e.g. N.Y. Times) DID receive a copy. Seemed like a reasonable answer...if you (wrongly) assume that all mainstrem media is 100% 'leftist', a concept I argue based on the free-ride the MI Complex-owned media gave Bush in the lead up to the Un-War on Terror in Iraq.
Today, I read THIS article...altho not sure of the source and haven't taken the time to see if there's any hope of verifying the truth, but giving the same assumption I gave to Nowrasteh's comments on Medved, this certainly gives cause to wonder.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/discover-the-secret-right_b_29015.html
Despite the 'dramatization' disclaimers, I am confident that a vast majority will believe 'Path' to be Gospel truth. And while Nowrasteh had said that the program was 'equally critical' of the Bush Administration, and despite the edits on the Clinton-protested material they (I think) edited, this did seem a tad more critical of the Clinton Administration...especially when they tossed in the 17 minutes of President Bush in mid-denoument.
I tend to think the target of the psy-op was not Clinton or Bush, however. I think the target was the American opinion of Islamic Arabs (as opposed to Islamic Americans). This was done by focusing on the conditions of Islamic Arabs...seeming dirty living conditions, hectic/crazed street scenes even of every-day scenarios, the seemingly furtive-spy-on-every-corner nature of life there, the ugly (by Western standards), boorish manners of these Arab men especially towards women and Americans, etc, etc.
All this type of thing surely had an impact on those watching. And while some here will say 'We're united once again!', and that may have been the hope of this psy-op, I think it is un-healthy.
And there were some very peculiar visual and audio effects towards the end, pulsing light and pulsing sound...made me think "Why not just use the old spinning-spiral mind-control thingy?". It was odd. Then add the fact that there were no bathroom breaks! HEY!...THAT'S AGAINST THE GENEAVA CONVENTION, AIN'T IT? ;)
I'd like to know:
1. How was this project funded (since there were no commercials)?
2. Who funded it?
3. Who had the original idea/concept?
4. Who were the 'movers and shakers' behind this project?
5. Who approved this project?
Oh...allright....
6. How much input did Karl Rove (Minister of Propaganda) have in this project?????
Here's a clickable link to the link I referenced in the FTU piece above.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/discover-the-secret-right_b_29015.html
Thanks, Scarlet.
"WAR! whoa, whooooa, whooooaaa,
What is it good for!
Absolutely NUTHING!!
Say it again, yeah...."
I'm going to re-post Boh's message in-case someone deletes it:
Boh's original post is bolded. I have added bold italics to highlight another, yet relevant to this particular Blog entry called "Failure to Evolve"
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371 Bohemia said...
Mike Griffin All-Hands Meeting - GSFC - 12 Sep 2006 Notes: (apologies in advance for the long post. I humbly accept the PHA)
Length = 2.5 hours!
FY08-10 are very, very difficult budget years at NASA, because we are engaged in completing the International Space Station (ISS), while at the same time trying to gain ground on replacing Shuttle with the new Orion and Ares I systems. Even so, Orion will not be operational until FY14, the last year allowed by Presidential policy guidance.
Science today comprises a larger piece of the NASA portfolio than ever before; 32% today as compared with 24% back in the mid-90s.
The Science Mission Directorate (SMD) FY07 budget request is $5.33 B, up from FY06 by 1.5%. Earth science at NASA receives $1.5 B annually, more than 25% of our science portfolio.
here's where it gets interesting...
So, what's all the tumult and shouting about? A few key things come to mind, concerning which you probably won't be surprised: I think it comes down to money, respect, and power. So let's take these issues on.
"Science" was in earlier years promised more than it is actually getting. The other plain fact is that no one else at NASA is getting what they were promised either!
NASA as a whole will receive fully $3 B less than planned in the five-year runout in the FY05 budget request. But there were several "disconnects" in that plan. Shuttle and ISS were under-funded by almost $6 B. Cross-agency support programs were significantly under-funded, and NASA was subjected to a government-wide 1% rescission of $350 M for FY06-07. We looked for savings where we could find them, but in the end it was necessary to reduce SMD by $3.1 B and Exploration Systems by $1.6 B to close the FY07 budget request.
The Shuttle/ISS program has been reduced to 17 flights from 28. There will be little actual "utilization" of ISS for the next several years, in contrast to the original plan; we will be doing mostly "assembly". Now, of course, the science community would by and large just as soon see Shuttle/ISS cancelled outright. But at the highest levels of national government, that simply was not the decision that was made!
So now lets move on to "respect". Once the Vision for Space Exploration was announced, the science community immediately said, as if with once voice, "Robotic science is exploration too!" Besides, 'exploration without science is tourism'! No more 'flags and footprints'!" ... I'm sure you've heard all of this and more. Since the science community had never previously characterized their work in terms of "exploration", many observers concluded that the theme underlying these view was, more cynically, "Don't cut our budget to pay for human spaceflight!
The Vision for Space Exploration is fundamentally about bringing the resources of the solar system within the economic sphere of mankind. It is not fundamentally about scientific discovery.
The history of life on Earth is the history of extinction events, and human expansion into the Solar System is, in the end, fundamentally about the survival of the species.
"Exploration" is not primarily about "Science".
The Vision is about redirecting the money that the nation has been spending on human spaceflight, but to better purposes than we have been spending it. That is the key.
Three specific groups chartered by the Congress to advise the Administrator. These are the NASA Advisory Council (NAC), the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP), and the new ISS Independent Safety Task Force (ISS-ISTF). That's all there are. There are no other standing committees or interested parties required or permitted to review and advise NASA, no other group whose recommendations should be thoughtfully evaluated and to which the Agency must respond.
As Administrator, I put the Hubble Servicing Mission back into our science plan. I rebalanced the science portfolio out of respect for National Academy priorities and out of concern for the health of important disciplines like Earth science and heliophysics. I did have to cut the growth rate for science, but other parts of the NASA portfolio, including Exploration and Aeronautics, have made similar sacrifices.
Others with more singular and self-interested views of NASA's purpose would like to divide and conquer us. They would like to cast the argument in the terms "Science vs. Exploration". That argument is deliberate and deceptive. I don't accept it, and I urge you to reject it as well.
Some more banter and a Q&A session followed.
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371 Bohemia
Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:28:01 PM
WOW! A really QUIET DAY on the ship! Anyone aboard?
Guinea-pigs wanted. Sign-up at the next protest rally. Or, MKULTRA rears its head.
Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs
POSTED: 2356 GMT (0756 HKT), September 12, 2006
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.
The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.weapons.ap/index.html
OSOTP - That's an interesting list !
I was just saying "be careful". In order to claim the mantle of Galileo, one must be both persecuted by the Establishment - and also right.
Anyone with real anti-gravity or real anomalies would have options. I talked to Tim Ventura on the phone for over an hour (RCH gave him my number last summer) and told him about how Ballard Power Systems got around the fear of being tied up in court - by donating the ir discovery to the Dept of National Defence - then licensing it back. I did work on that with the then-Energy critic of the Official Opposition.
Going legit was not on his radar, but exploiting the "wrong, but not in doubt" crowd was. In my research, it is science, but there are social science implications. So, when we ask, "why are we measuring this ?" my answer is, "because it was put there by the King or Church-ianity" - it drifts into social science. American Anti-Gravity is not persecuted, nor is there anyone hoping they fail. Intell Agencies are to prevent people from hitting the foundation of social science, or, as Thoreau would say, "strike the root".
It's funny because the early Coast shows usually featured Art Bell interviewing people with free energy. The world's energy problems would be solved, not by people reading big books, but by someone in a suburban garage. There was a consistent theme to those C2C shows: Inventors that deserve a Nobel Prize, but instead, being hassled by Intell - and all the fancy big-city book lernin' folks got it wrong. Nowadays, Art just postures there is no over-unity and whines, "just give me a little toy I can put on my desk" ... and he's soured on the Pyramids too, after a tour of Egypt with Zahi Haiwass.
A ranch, if it is to be of any use, will RECONCILE the new science with the Establishment. The Est. is the only option for delivering the product to the people ... but few of the guests that Coast promotes have any interest in taking on the Establishment.
It's sad, when you think of what is - and compare it to what could be ...
Move over Georgie ...
Condi Rice and the Canadian External Affairs Minister
appear to be in love.
CBC Newsworld - FF to the 24:00 mark
incidentally,
In honour of 9-11, Rex Murphy slams conspiracy theorists of all stripes at 46:35
It's quite the rant ...
Well then, Boh...rhetorically, do I need to change the tenor of my blog? While the loss of the science programs is highly lamentable, this new program's goal is consistent with my blog's call to put outposts in space?
These guys are really sneaky! ;)
OSOTP,
The more I think about that Air Force General speculating about test weapons on US citizens, the madder I get!
What madness. What sheer effrontry! This is a sure symptom of the Fascist Corpocracy.
Bohemia,
NO it is NOT 'ethical'.
Will and DOES it already happen?
YES to both.
FAIR?
Of course not...yet when has 'fair' been used in ANY employment situation? Whether its government or private they will always only care about the bottom-line short-term profit.
Bob
Best wishes being sent your way.
We love you, T!!
sk
Hi Boh,
IMHO just because something is legal doesn't mean it is ethical. Invading someone's privacy without permission is never ethical if it has nothing to do with a crime for expample. If you consent to a test that is different. It could inform you of a condition you didn't know about. But the reason for the testing and the use afterward would concern me. I think what you are asking goes beyond ethics.
I'm impressed with some of the gains and discoveries that science has made. Along with these new found skills comes responsibility. Human nature being what it is, the new skill, machine, whatever is usually used for the lowest common denominator, ie., financial gain, military superiority, or just plain power. We can never be assured it will be used for the common good. So it concerns me when we have the capability to test someone for genetic anomalies, which without that ability, no one would know about or care.
I guess the real question is, whom do you trust? Can you trust that your test is confidential? That is won't be used to discriminate? Or that it can be used to manipulate you in the future? All of those questions could have some real negative consequences if left to someone who has no ethics.
Hope this helps.....and I hope this is something you don't have to submit to.
regards
mac
I agree with Art's current position. It was the hundred or so radio shows where he played gullible & trusting & excited that helped get Coast off the ground. Same goes for pyramids - promote the myths and if anything goes wrong, or, if people stop buying it, just switch to something else.
If people think you're lying - tell the truth !
If people trust you - lie !
If I made zillions and could start up a Ranch, it would be to give people with good theories an incubator to get data & observations - the purpose : to conquer an Ivory Tower within the Walled Gardens of Academia. Or, to make a toy for a radio host to brag about.
V,
My timeline begins around 1000AD ... and most pyramids were built before then ... for pyramids, do you have a scientific-why ? I'd love a chance to de-bunk the Sky-Cult mumbo-jumbo. The ever-shifting justifications are weak and need to be exposed to avoid methane build-up under the surface. Multi-contextual means, "I can pick & choose justifications as I see fit", so we get references to people living thousands of miles apart, or thousands of years apart combined with pop-culture references to Scooby-Doo episodes and song lyrics.
What the world needs is a middle of the road book about pyramids that doesn't indulge in flights of fancy. In Novum Organum, Bacon tells aspiring elitists that filling people's heads with alot of disconnected facts causes them to lose the context. Oxford tested this for Rockefeller and others - applied to public education in the US. Tracked, most recently, by the retired NY teacher, John Taylor Gatto.
btw :
If there's no longer 9 planets ... then does that mean Astrology is & always has been wrong ?
"Question:
Where it’s legal, do you think it’s ethical for employers to engage in genetic testing with the intent to screen for diseases or potential diseases? Is it permissible, for example, to use a blood test to perform genetic testing on employees without their consent? What about with their consent? Is your answer any different is the genetic information is reasonably related to specific job performance?"
What a whole sordid web of change this practice would weave! Basically, I'm against it being used for anything other than an individuals health choices and it should be completely confidential. Not for use by Employers or Insurance companies.
Assuming that there is no data to support a correlation of genetics to a specific job task, how would we ever obtain said data? Having the data, is it truly ethical to use it? I think not. Except maaaaaybe in the case of selecting crew for a long-term space mission or somesuch, hoping to better the chances for someone not having a problem due to a genetic disease that would difficult to tend to and adversly impact a mission and the lives of others.
I also think filtering out people based on genetic data (well, we already do it based on good looks, etc). rules out that vital element that plays such a great part in the affairs of mankind....chance!
Hi All
A comment on the post by OSOTP
Re: crowd controol comment by the Air Force Sec.
WTF is this guy thinking? Is this the height of arrogance or what?
I seems to me that the U.S. Gov't is totally out of control, and this is just one more thing that proves it. This can be added to weather manipulation, NASA, the Mexico/ Canada tollway, and programs to numerous to mention. What annoys me is that taxpayer money is used to finance these things and all have a negative impact on citizens. I'm for pulling the plug on all this crap until someone in charge gets some common sense, and some grip on ethical responsibility.
It is my opinion and I think one that is backed up by the constitution that the gov't exists to provide services for the common good that can only be provided by taxing the citizens of the states by the federal gov't. That would include a military for DEFENSE of the country, a currency system, federal highways, etc. It is not to create a slush fund to play with weapons in secret, and then use them on the population at large, or other sick stuff these people come up with. It is not to be manipulated for personal financial gain or power.
Unfortunately our form of government only works if those we elect have some form of moral compass and work for the public good. When the current culture of greed, lust for power, and amoral behavior is so prevelent, it turns into a license to do whatever you want until you get caught. That is truly a sad commentary on the monster that is running loose at present....Hopefully karma catches up to those who need it...
SK Said,
Assuming that there is no data to support a correlation of genetics to a specific job task, how would we ever obtain said data? Having the data, is it truly ethical to use it? I think not. Except maaaaaybe in the case of selecting crew for a long-term space mission or somesuch, hoping to better the chances for someone not having a problem due to a genetic disease that would difficult to tend to and adversly impact a mission and the lives of others.
I also think filtering out people based on genetic data (well, we already do it based on good looks, etc). rules out that vital element that plays such a great part in the affairs of mankind....chance!
Well said SK, I hadn't thought of the space mission perspective, but that is about the only way I'd see it as ethically useful.
It is true we discrimate on the basis of looks and other criteria, but those are judgements based on the obvious. Genetic testing is not. That is a truly deep violation of privacy, that otherwise would be an unknown..
Boh,
I think that not enough thought has been put in re genetic testing. The sanctity or privacy of the body is being invaded by this.
My gut feeling is that it would be part of some bigger picture, which is most likely not being communicated. I do not think I would be a party to that testing. However, I do not think I would have to submit to such testing considering what I do.
Change is something not everyone is good with, whether for good or bad. I still keep thinking that the testing is part of something bigger than just finding out if you have a disease or something. My gut says it is NOT a good thing. A violation is about to occur.
Wayne
((((T)))))
The Air Force general is way out of line. However, wouldn't be the first time the populace has been used a test subjects. At least they said something ahead of time. ;)
Wayne
Shades of Columbine.. A shootout at RDI in Montreal, Quebec Semi-automatic weapons unleashed on students with at least 4 dead and 16 wounded. Took place 2 hours ago with some activity still ongoing.... Dec. 6, 1989..Marc Lepine massacre.
I just sent an email to Dubya and my 2 senators complaining about the weapons testing on citizens.
Yeah...I know..........
Ya know, Mac....this whole think STINKS of DARPA and Adm. Poindexter!!!
Thanks
SK,
I have no problem with legitimate weaponry, but some of this is just sick sh*t. What's really sick is that this AF guy is more worried about what the rest of the world thinks, so he's going to test it on his own citizens. Huh?
How many ways can we come up with to kill people? Appears that they have to keep coming up with new stuff so they can obsolete the old and hang onto the job....Sickos
While I'm on a roll...
How out of touch is Dumbya when he uses 9/11 to justify his failed foriegn policy, and his war? Let's see how many more countries we can get to hate us. What a putz...
((((((((((((((((((T)))))))))))))
Sending you prayers of health and comfort my good friend.
Love ya T!!
Scar
Greetings again Boh,
Where to start?
I don't envy your position. No amount of money could entice me to work for any part of the gov't at this point, and my family has and still is involved with the military. Up til now it was a proud vocation.
Your posts seemed to have supported the very point I was making about invasion of privacy. The irony is that the higher you climb on the ladder of "success" the more encumbered you become by all of this nonsense. That illegal coming across the border with the fake ID is better off than the law abiding citizen who follows the rules. Maybe it's better to just disappear into the cracks and make a subsistence living than try to excel. Makes you wonder what the advantage will be when people rebel at taking all this on. I for one would take a .45 to the head before I let them "chip" me.
When we cease to be able to live free, that is no life.
Question to you Boh:
What advantage does all this tracking give TPTB? In the bigger picture how do you keep track of 300 million people? Why would you want to?
I think that TPTB think that they are slowly chipping away, but there are certain lines that are crossed that are big no matter how you do it. No amount of acclimation is going to make me want to take a RFID chip, or get a genetic test, or even a national ID.
regards
mac
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This is for 'archival purposes only':
All,
Many thanks for the replies thus far. I am sure more will arrive and I welcome them!
The reason behind my query deals with the amount of information gathered upon the completion of the Human Genome Project (HGP). Its goal was to identify the approximately 35,000 genes in human DNA and to map out and sequence the 3 billion chemical base pairs that make up human DNA. As the director of the project said, HGP will allow us to read “our own instruction book.” It started in 1990 and completed in 2003.
Many government agencies already sequestered this information and are currently using these databases in their own research and recruitment. NASA, NSA, and DHS are already full throttle on this. New biometrics are currently being deployed (i.e., retina scans, fingerprinting, DNA matching, and RFID embedded government issued ID cards).
I have already been subjected to retina scanning, fingerprinting (all 10 fingers), blood sampling for a record of my DNA, and have been issued a new RFID embedded ID card that contains all this information.
I know of the casualties of this. Some coworkers have pre-symptomatic genetic conditions (that is, genetic precursors to later in life illnesses). Some incidents mentioned Alzheimer's, precursor breast cancer, Huntington’s disease, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and a few others. The immediate consequence is reduced or lost medical coverage, higher medical insurance costs, and workplace discrimination. The Americans with Disabilities Act protects individuals against genetic discrimination in the workplace. But this applies only to organizations with 15 or more employees. The law does’t restrict employers from using genetic testing if it’s related to job performance.
This database, which is being mined and maintained by Google Labs in the new NASA Ames Research Centre (ARC) where Google is building a 1 MILLION square foot campus, is available to any government agency for a fee. Google recently has been partnering with government agencies, most notably NASA. Google has been partnering with NASA on such innocuous projects as managing NASA vast image library and immense data. However, the needle drills a deeper hole. Google also is given maintenance of many of this countries gigantic databases -- from criminal data to the HGP to having a significant role in counter-terrorism predictions systems.
The story is the government wants Google to manage and maintain all this vast amount of data because Google has the modern advanced technology and proven track record or archiving the Internet such that data mining is easy and somewhat efficient. However, I question the why. NASA also has terabytes of images and data accumulated over the years they seem to manage reasonably well. As do other agencies. Why the need to outsource to Google? Cost effect? Is our data now off-shored to overseas technicians? We know many medical and insurance records are transcripted overseas.
The databases are mostly in place and inter-agency accessible. The RFID implants and/or RFID ID cards mandated by the government in the near future will nearly be the final brick in the wall. From the location tracking matched with what the databases know about you and all your private, confidential medical information, family information, habits and hobbies, etc..., we have the beginnings of "population management" the like of which unseen since Nazi Germany. Orderly and deliberate.
Furthermore, no law requires manufacturers to tell you if they put an RFID chip into a product or its packaging. Some U.S. counties are mandating pets be RFID tagged; most still have it as optional but strongly encouraged. It is a step to get the populace comfortable with this technology. From RFID tagged currency to clothing to pets, animals, food goods, and inevitable RFID IDs and RFID tagged humans.
The dilemma of all the known HGP information is how to use it. It is obvious the first uses will not be altruistic. Employers and insurance companies argue that genetic information is important to limit potential liability for health and life insurance.
What is rapidly unfolding amongst all the chaos and distractions is a robust infrastructure of population management and human behaviour prediction. The government has plans to know more about you than your own mother.
More comments, please?
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The NASA-Google partnership makes me think Google is infiltrated. Hence, the strange deletions of my post. If Google can voluntarily censor an entire country (China) and slant American media in its news searches so the stories are obscured, how easy is it for a single person based on credentials or words or other revelations. It is quite simple really to go after a few and leave the rest. I assume this post will not be up long. Me and my big mouth! But, is it better for all of you to know? I hope so but am unsure.
I have changed passwords and do so regularly.
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The probing and scanning done to those of us in certain positions or with certain accesses is a vile humiliation and utter disregards for the most precious personal privacy. Once in the fold, the only way out is to die -- even then, you are still not free.
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As I stated in my previous post, if it is still here, is population control. Population control at all levels: birth, education, advancement, lifestyle, etc. To know "our own instruction book," is to know the details at an elementary level of how we function. Once we can predict, at the greatest (or lowest) common denominator, the primitive responses, we can maintain a population in that state. The unintelligent, mislead, and easily distracted are easier to control than a free thinker or "rebel."
Confusion and overwhelming of the masses causes one to "shut down" logic, free thought, and common sense. It makes the standard homo sapiens reduce to a primitive modus operandi.
The obvious goals for all this data collection, storage, and mining, is the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses. Consumerism has been used as the substance for this attempt.
The droning about war, terror, terrorism, fear, tyranny, evil, enemies, economy, polarisation, patriotism, slander, addiction, consumption, and so on is intended to shutdown and overload the weak masses via media over-exposure and reiteration. Knowledge has been twisted and used against you to control your freedom. Today's society has become rich in academic twisted knowledge and very poor in awareness and truth.
Habit and routine are encouraged. How much chaos and tumult do people exhibit when one's routine is disrupted?
Conditioning starts before conception. The databases can predict the genetic characteristics of an offspring. When this is completely in place, some genetic characteristics or traits might be deemed undesirable and the child aborted. Once a suitable offspring is conceived and born, the conditioning continues through the child's exposure to mass media, it follows into the educational system, and into occupation. Can one aspire to succeed? Only if given the proper birthright.
Think ant colony -- millions of ants functioning like little machines foraging daily for food and materials for the hive. Each insect carrying out the role for which it was hatched. Routinely, redundantly, mechanically.
How does mass control occur?:
The databases predict behaviour characteristics based on genetic traits. The LCD (lowest common denominator) is the baseline for human drive. It is the primitive being that exists in everyone. The attempt it to keep people functioning near this primitive baseline through: religion, mass media, propaganda, educational systems, reward/punishment.
We also have knowing and willful dispersion of pollutants into the environment. Contaminants that have known adverse effects on the central nervous system and brain function. Two examples: carbon monoxide from autos and fluoride enriched foods.
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Google ARC:
Think about it for a quick moment: 1 MILLION square feet. How much computing power and storage is that? What can be stored and computed about you?
Anyone have any idea what information is already stored?
What else?
DARPA's "Information Awareness Office, Project Echelon, and the Information Exploitation Office, Multistate Antiterrorism Information Exchange, and IAO's Total Information Awareness System and all their reincarnations known and unknown
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Keep in Mind:
Artificial scarcity affects human behavior.
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The first link on this page may at first appear to be, well, distant. It isn't. I recommend this link to a "few" of the "regulars" interested in expanding their well,,,this spaceship is in the shape of a "egg"..hehehe.
http://www.incunabula.org/ebooks.html
eric,
Lotta links and other...stuff...on that page. Can you clarify, please.
Thanks Boh, for the expansion on your thoughts. I was pretty much thinking the same think, and it's despicable. More revolting is the fact that we, the targets of all this, are paying for it!
My view of the Big Picture is this. As all of on this blog know, or at least have some inkling, we are living on a dying planet. The air, water and land are polluted. Much of the life in the ocean is dying and the climate is changing, not for the better. If TPTB want this rock all for themselves let 'em have it. They should just kill us all and get it over with. But something tells me that that is not the ultimate aim.
What confuses me Boh is why you want a dumb population that you have to ride herd on constantly. So you have ants making 'stuff'. How much 'stuff' do you need? If they control all the money that can't be the motive. If they want to reduce the population, that's pretty simple to do. No one is going to like it, but when has that mattered to them?
The only thing I can come up with is evil for evil's sake, as in a sadistic need to satisfy. Otherwise what is the point. Maybe my thinking is too rational, and that is not the way this is being mapped out.
I'm not being obtuse here. I really am trying to see the point of all this effort. Do you know THAT answer Boh?
mac
As an aside to the discussion, but having some relevance regarding those who are aware and those who are not:
As some of you know I have daughter who came from an unfortunate backround. Her older sister stayed with her mother on the west coast and has pretty much gone down the same path as mom. Without going into detail her circumstances are pretty bleak. She has just become unemployed, homeless, and had to give up her 2 small daughters to her ex. Needless to say my daughter is very upset. We discussed this last nite. I tried to explain that we all have our path and it is up to each of us to find the answers. The lite bulb went on for her. She is aware and searching for the 'answers'. It is hard for her to understand why someone would choose misery to peace and happiness. But she is now figuring out that some people are conditioned to the drama, and are more comfortable staying there than doing anything to change. She is also seeing that it is only a minority that are searching for that path to enlightenment. As Jesus said, "the path is narrow and few find it." Needless to say she will be trying to make sense of our talk for awhile....
So I concur with Boh's point about the ants, but why propigate it, unless you just like watching misery play itself out. It also answers the question of why nothing is being done to solve the problems of the planet....
Mac/boh,
I keep preaching this...'they' are smarter than that...they know that it will be harder to subjugate humankind...takes too much work...better to get everybody hooked on 'consumerism', having all the human conmforts and dreams of luxury...but never doing anything more than working and staying in perpetual debt. Keeps us docile, productive, lazy physically/mentally/morally.
A perpetual machine.
Sunking,
That makes more sense than anything I've come up with.
It makes no sense to have to ridc herd on a stupid population. Too much crime, and all the other junk that goes along with it. But you don't want 'em too smart either. You're right--too much work.
Rome did the same thing. Bread and Circus. But in time it all fell apart....
v said:Boh, once again, please clarify. Do you know anything about data disk thefts throughout the country being used to populate the "Total Information Awareness" database ?
starshipconstellation asks: Is this information beyond what Wayne Madsen has been keeping track of? Madsen believes that the data thefts are to populate the TIA databsase.
Powell joins opponents of Bush's detainee bill
POSTED: 1923 GMT (0323 HKT), September 14, 2006
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell joined top Republican senators to oppose President Bush's request to reinterpret a Geneva Convention rule in order to allow tougher interrogations of terror suspects.
Powell wrote to a major opponent of Bush's plan, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, in a letter released Thursday, that he opposed Bush's request of Congress to allow reinterpretation of Common Article III of the Geneva Conventions.
read all at: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/14/congress.tribunals/index.html
I have to agree with MAC – Why? Once they have all of the money & power, then what? They die, their siblings take over, Earth changes and eventually becomes inhabitable. They who control destroy their own homeland, then what? They’re evil would be snuffed out by higher intelligences in the universe should they try to capture another race. They are mortal and god- like for a only a short time …. It must be some sort of sickness for those who can never have enough money and power, never mind the consequences. I don’t know, just a thought.
tacodog said...
I have to agree with MAC – Why? Once they have all of the money & power, then what? They die, their siblings take over, Earth changes and eventually becomes inhabitable. They who control destroy their own homeland, then what? They’re evil would be snuffed out by higher intelligences in the universe should they try to capture another race. They are mortal and god- like for a only a short time …. It must be some sort of sickness for those who can never have enough money and power, never mind the consequences. I don’t know, just a thought.
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This item may not provide the answer to that, but it does offer perspective. Its "The Eight Veils". You've probably seen it before:
http://proliberty.com/observer/20011212.htm
Unipax - yes I did see that, thank you. I guess I am just overloaded with info/disinfo, feeling frustrated and powerless at where we're heading. What seems to be isn't, what isn't is - Discernment and clarity becoming all the more fuzzy. ;( (what layer of the onion do you think we have managed to peel away thus far?)
We can all go round and round about the current discussion, but in the end the people perpetrating this are IHMO SICK.
How much money, power, etc do you really need? In the end you die, period. I've never seen a U-Haul at the end of the funeral procession. Even if you give it to your offspring, so what? My observation and reading of history tells me that the next generation doesn't have the vision or ability to do what the preceding one had in mind. (For the handiest example, look at who is sitting in the White House) Dad was no brain surgeon, but sonny is even more clueless.) So the point of all the control eludes me. Like Sunking "I guess I'm not all that smart".
I'm pretty content with my life and the older I get the more I want to simplify it. As a matter of fact I've been getting rid of "stuff". I see no problem with pursuing and getting whatever you want, but I find some of it kind of stifling. Your possessions begin to own you at some point. So expending all this energy to control everyone and everything, it a odds with my own pursuit of simplicity. Let 'em have it and all the headaches that go with it....
I am hearing you all on this current discussion, so I will add just a small thing to finish it up.
Here goes, "Give ANY one species too much rope, and they'll Fuck It Up!"
Phrased by Roger Waters in 1992, on "Amused To Death".
Wayne
tacodog said...
Unipax - yes I did see that, thank you. I guess I am just overloaded with info/disinfo, feeling frustrated and powerless at where we're heading. What seems to be isn't, what isn't is - Discernment and clarity becoming all the more fuzzy. ;( (what layer of the onion do you think we have managed to peel away thus far?)
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I think many of the fabulous Fshodsters have gained more clarity and discernment than most.
what layer of the onion do you think we have managed to peel away thus far?
That seems a good way to put it. If you are referencing The 8 Veils, which IMO provides a pretty good structure of onion layers for answering that question, I would dare to speculate that we, meaning many of da Fshoddies, inhabit and perhaps glimpsethe following areas from the 8 veils:
( I dunno about the dragons & lizards. David Icke sure thinks he does )
( I do not mean to speak for all here )
The fifth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.
The sixth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the sixth veil where the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real and are the controlling forces behind the secret societies. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.
The seventh veil: I do not know what is behind the seventh veil. I think it is where your soul is evolved to the point you can exist on earth and be the man Ghandi was, or the woman Peace Pilgrim was-people so enlightened they brighten the world around them no matter what.
The eighth veil? Piercing the eighth veil probably reveals God and the pure energy that is the life force in all living things-which are, I think, one and the same.
Here's the part that always makes me smile:
If my math is accurate there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.
Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can't, the more insane he appears to them.
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Mac, I think the Bushes are merely front line soldiers, maybe lieutenants in a command structure having many levels above General. W is an idiot because he is supposed to be.
I think Cheney is in charge, and taking orders as well, of course.
-end rant
If I were W, I'd be afraid Cheney is gonna get my job before my term runs out.
That way Cheney could line up the election, or manage its cancellation.
Symptoms of Radiation sickness at WTC Ground Zero, eh?
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Boh said:
Here is something that is interesting...
major elements and all trace elements analyzed in the WTC dust and beam coating samples
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html
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Look at the last table of Minimum and Maximum figures:
Strontium ppm - 378(min) 3130(max) 726.61 (mean)
WHY IS THERE NUCLEAR FALLOUT AT GROUND ZERO?
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http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Sr/key.html
Strontium does not occur as the free element. Strontium is softer than calcium and decomposes water more vigorously. Freshly cut strontium has a silvery appearance, but rapidly turns a yellowish colour with the formation of the oxide. The finely divided metal ignites spontaneously in air. Volatile strontium salts impart an excellent crimson colour to flames, and these salts are used in pyrotechnics.
Strontium-90 (90Sr) has a half-life of 28 years. It is a product of nuclear fallout and presents a major health problem. Strontium titanate is an interesting optical material as it has an extremely high refractive index and an optical dispersion greater than that of diamond. It has been used as a gemstone, but it is very soft.
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Steven Jones examines wtc evidence;
Jones presents photographic and scientific evidence that an aluminothermic process called Thermite was most likely used to weaken and sever the 47 massive core columns that held up the towers. The official version utterly fails to explain how these critical columns failed.
Thermite, however, a combination of finely ground aluminum and iron oxide (rust), cuts through steel like a "warm knife through butter," Jones said, especially when mixed with 2 percent sulfur. The resulting eutectic combination, called Thermate, lowers the melting point of steel.
article by Christopher Bollyn, American free press can be seen here http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=88135
Man forced to marry goat
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1995189.html?menu=news.quirkies
Scientology anyone ?
Incunabula Hebraica
CC,
Interesting take on 'incunabula'. I've been exposed more than once over the last several years, but in mine own peekings into it I never referenced that particular bit of material, but then again I guess I was never bright enough to consider pursuing the etymology of the freakin' word in the first place, hahaha.
Anyway, let me attempt to put forth my own take on the material that ericswan put forth. Basically, then "Incunabula material" is a Discordian twist on a phenomena known as Alternate Reality Gaming. If you've ever seen the movie, "The Game", with Michael Douglas, then you already have some idea of the concept behind ARG's and yes, some of them have been known to get damn near that intense.
Anyway, at the heart of this particular bit is a story of a group of societal dropouts, who also happen to include a number of scientific geniuses, who put together a research commune. Out of their 1960's hippie culture meets 21st century cyberpunk culture dystopia springs the discovery of traveling to alternate versions of Earth (yah, the whole thing makes me think of that television show, "Sliders", too).
Anyhow, on the surface the "game" seems to challenge the player to follow in the research footsteps of the Ong's Hat community and find their own way to the alternate Earth's and free themselves from the chains and slavery of this society. On a deeper level, I suspect the game really represents a challenge to stop being spoon fed a shitty paradigm by shittier "Powers That Be" and start defining your own reality. At least that's what I get out of it. Joseph Matheny, the madman behind this little rabbit hole, hasn't said and as far as I know he pretty much ended this experiment without definite conclusion due to a distinct lack of peeps who really "got it".
The write up about this odd little internet meem over at disinfo.com should clear it up a bit more for y'all.
Of course, I'm sure many will see much "high strangeness" in the whole Alternate Reality Gaming thing and I suppose the ultra-paranoid could see it as a weird little brainwashing / programming tool. Having tooled around with a few of 'em, I personally see them as little helping hands on piercing Uni's veils. Being reminded of all of it also reminds me that our little Johnnie also likes games. I wonder if he might have the pair necessary to dip into some of these, hehehe. If I were a sadistic bastich, I'd recommend the one called Majestic, if it were still around, hurhurhur.
->SunKing said...
Mac/boh,
I keep preaching this...'they' are smarter than that...<-
And I've suggested once or twice that perhaps 'they' really are even smarter than any of us credit and are attempting to force us to better ourselves by providing the unwelcome choice. If so, however, it's a really piss poor idea, IMHO, and it doesn't make 'em any less scum suckin bastiches for it, frankly. But, it makes for an interesting line of thought, perhaps.
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Other discussed implications are that it could trigger illnesses and or dormant cancers in those found to be genetically pre-symptomatic. They activate this chip anytime they want via satellite.<-
I could rant on and on about just what I think of all this 'chipping' horseshit, but to cut short let me suggest you read '"Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman' by Harlan Ellison. That very well sums up my likely response. :-)
DarkWood
Darkwood..quoting from disinfo...
I am personally aware of two separate first-hand narratives of how the New Jersey Pine Barrens commune was stormed in the mid-1970s or 1980s (depending on the sources) by a Delta Force team from nearby Fort Dix. These shock troops reportedly descended from ropes off helicopters, toting flame-throwers and automatic weaponry. In a precursor to the Branch Davidian massacre, the Ong's Hat commune was burned down to the ground. As many as seven cult members were killed. It never made the papers. The two sources that have relayed these accounts to me are as intensely cagey about discussing the whereabouts of any survivors (whether in this universe or in an alternate), as they are about describing the particulars of the Egg's technology.
A recent offshoot hacker organization called the Neo-Travelers Front for a New Ong's Hat (NTF-NOH) uses the battle cry, "Avenge the Ong's Hat Seven!" Evidently, the commune's survivors still maintain a loose organization dedicated to research but they no longer have a centralized base of operations--all the better to avoid further massacres. Unfortunately, certain 'shadow-government' organizations apparently have the capabilities to streak across alternate dimensions in pursuit of the happy commune members.
But wait, there's more! Add to this mix a benevolent race of humanoids descended from Javanese lemurs on a parallel Earth, capable of dimensional shift without machinery, who have been world tripping for thousands of years. You've got your chaos; sex magick; applied quantum physics; shadow conspiracy; crypto-palaeontology and enlightenment hopes all wrapped up in one neat package. What the Hell more do you want?
There's so much more to the Ong's Hat legend than has previously been revealed. Joseph Matheny tells me that he and former commune members are set to disclose more in the year 2001. "You have been searching for us without knowing it . . ."
Thanks for that link. I posted the original link because my intuition was telling me that there is more here than meets the eye. I am not surprised by the above quoted from disinfo; that the group exists or existed and was cut down by military types. The genesis afterall is military and apparently, some of the members had remote viewed themselves out of the military and into the resistance. I think they have been looking over their shoulder for blowback ever since.
Darkwood.. quoting disinfo.."I am personally aware of two separate first-hand narratives of how the New Jersey Pine Barrens commune was stormed in the mid-1970s or 1980s (depending on the sources) by a Delta Force team from nearby Fort Dix. These shock troops reportedly descended from ropes off helicopters, toting flame-throwers and automatic weaponry. In a precursor to the Branch Davidian massacre, the Ong's Hat commune was burned down to the ground. As many as seven cult members were killed. It never made the papers. The two sources that have relayed these accounts to me are as intensely cagey about discussing the whereabouts of any survivors (whether in this universe or in an alternate), as they are about describing the particulars of the Egg's technology.
A recent offshoot hacker organization called the Neo-Travelers Front for a New Ong's Hat (NTF-NOH) uses the battle cry, "Avenge the Ong's Hat Seven!" Evidently, the commune's survivors still maintain a loose organization dedicated to research but they no longer have a centralized base of operations--all the better to avoid further massacres. Unfortunately, certain 'shadow-government' organizations apparently have the capabilities to streak across alternate dimensions in pursuit of the happy commune members.
But wait, there's more! Add to this mix a benevolent race of humanoids descended from Javanese lemurs on a parallel Earth, capable of dimensional shift without machinery, who have been world tripping for thousands of years. You've got your chaos; sex magick; applied quantum physics; shadow conspiracy; crypto-palaeontology and enlightenment hopes all wrapped up in one neat package. What the Hell more do you want?
There's so much more to the Ong's Hat legend than has previously been revealed. Joseph Matheny tells me that he and former commune members are set to disclose more in the year 2001. "You have been searching for us without knowing it . . ."
Blogger has already rejected this comment once. I will have to use the left ear synchronicity to get it through this time.
Truth can be stranger than fiction but sometimes fiction is the only medium with a carte blanche. After all, the road to the egg had very deep ruts in it and you just don't "imagine" that kind of detail. (Or do you?)
other side of the pacific said:
Strontium-90 (90Sr) has a half-life of 28 years. It is a product of nuclear fallout and presents a major health problem....
starshipconstellation muses: And perhaps that's the real reason for all the foot dragging over what is to replace the twin towers? It's still too hot!
Happy Friday everybody,
Re Dumbya, and Darth Vader,
I have to agree. Vader is in charge, but only because he's a cold-hearted SOB that has been bought off somehow. Or maybe he just enjoys it.
One bright spot to all this. When the gov't keeps coming up with more and more laws and regs that make no sense, the less anyone is going to pay attention to them. Sooner or later they just become irrelevant, only because either the stupid law serves no purpose or is unenforcable. I still maintain that all this nonsense will colapse on itself. You can't suck up all the money and everything else, and not expect people to do something else to survive.
Anybody want to bet that the deadly Spinach is from Mexico? Funny that nobody seems to know where it came from. How much BS is that. e-coli- isn't that the same bacteria that pollutes the water from sewage? DUH...let's expand NAFTA to CAFTA it's working so well....Guess someone from the spinach lobby pissed someone else off.
V,
You are so right. God is going to be the final arbiter of all this. No bluffing Him.
Boh,
I've read a lot of Native American writings, and they all say about what you have quoted.
For seemingly primitive peoples, they sure had a handle on a lot of things we take for granted. Why when a lot of the world was moving forward with technology did the red man continue on so long without it? Did something happen long ago that taught them a lesson we are just starting to grasp? When the white man came here and tried to 'share' his way with them many resisted and preferred to hold on to the old way. Why?
They don't look so backward from here.
This newscast video of a fireball over Washington state leaves me breathless..
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=2105f5e7ba3929f29f80d3e7799e87cd&showtopic=78519
Ms T
Glad your Dad doin better. My own parents are having health issues with my Mom just getting out of hospital and my Dad still having alzhiemers. In addition my wife fell Monday night and is allblack and blue from the fall. If folks remember she is paralyized all along her right side and she fell into corner near her bed going from her bed to her wheelchair. I had quite a time getting her up and back into her chair.
We all have health and other issues we are struggling with and it is nice to know we have a concerned crew here who truly care.
best wishes Ms T to you and to all.
Any YES...we NEED someone to HIJACK that Starship, plans or other data and SOON!!!.
Bob...:D
Hi Ms T,
Glad you're back and your dad is doing better. I think we are all dealing with the same things. My parents are in thier 80's and time catches up.
((((T)))
V
both posts show that the gov't will say just about anything. How could the angle of the sun be the same for dozens of observers in different places...right.
Imagine if Dumbya and Darth had to adhere to the oath......but we all know they are above the law.
hey good to hear,
((((( T )))))
What ARG has in common with reality : surrealism of Jean Cocteau and perpetrators of (IMHO what I consider 2B) the HB-HG Con.
I just threw the link in, because the incunabula that I knew, I think was probably used for the legal fictions and myths used to conceal the history of territory in Canada. The British didn't write an instruction book for that - instead, they hide the tradition in plain sight. In history, the British also didn't need to codify their rules for expansion (like the NorthWest Ordinance in the USA) because the Spanish had already codified the rules for planting the Christian cross - the Laws of the Indies.
Whenever I read about the government fearing a cult, especially a cult that promotes alternate realities - I think about the Comte de St. Germain. In the 1930s there were 1,000,000 members convinced that the Count wrote the Declaration of Independence.
They had obviously stumbled onto something - they probably came across what I deciphered from the Declaration (and Col Friedman tried to write about). The cipher does mention a St Germain, but it also has Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Queen Catharine and others. I don't consider it to be a cipher-signature - I think it was intended for another Count of St Germain who was Minister of War for France.
Ciphers make for an alternate reality.
I Am movement of the 1930s.
What alternate reality games seem to mimick is the history I've been trying to piece together.
Divination allows the user to see the face of the divine in alphabet tables, bible codes, and entrails of animals.
Divination from Wikipedia.
I call these REALITY TUNNELS ... and since users feel like prophets when they think that an alphabet table or bible codes "speak to them", it's quite easy to get a group of people following the same thing for a little while.
The reason the I AM movement caught fire, was because, like Joseph Smith and the Mormons, they happened to pick the right document. Whatever Joseph Smith found qualified him as a Master Mason in a single day. The leaders of I AM found the same thing that Col. Wm. Friedman described finding - and they simply attributed the man-made coincidences to Count St Germain - that made him an ascended master on par with Jesus, Mohammed and that fat little Buddha.
Et-le-voila !! They found the key to Divinity is really superstitions and hyperstitions within the individual's imagination. If you think God is a bearded Charlton Heston, then he's who you imagine laying out the puzzle - or, if you think the deity that threw us out of the Garden is evil as others do (ie BU) then that's who the user imagines - divination is malleable and adaptable.
An alphabet table is something that can be whipped out and used as proof of divinity - it also absolves the leaders of the "I hear voices in my head" kind of cult - it's more like a common research project.
Maybe you go to the table and find a city-name and the latters not blacked out seem to jumpout and spell something catastrophic - in an alternate reality or parallel universe, that event came true. In this reality, to avoid that fate, use those letters to form something else.
Naming, being an ownership level decision, what happens if all the owners used the same table ? It opens the way for a form of insider trading, with confidence men on the frontier, who somehow knew which town would get the jail, the university, the court-house and the capital. How ? They used shills and public relations and propaganda and the myth of political innocence is an easy sell.
Anybody read this?
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/911-whistleblower-richard-andrew-grove-transcript
The only way to beat the "they" is if all of those who profess peace and harmony amongst nations no matter their religion unite on one front - what are the odds of that ever happening in my lifetime - yours - the next generation? What are the odds of just "we the people" uniting and taking back America? "They" believe we can't/won't. It is far easier to divide the people then to unite them.
I am pretty sure I have pierced quite a few of the veils, but the last one eludes me, perhaps I don't have the right amount/type of neurons. :(
Mac: ditto here, we have simplified our life and are pretty content, I feel we are quite fortunate and/or lucky because we could.
MsT - glad to hear things settling down and perhaps giving you time to renew your energy and heal.
Robert: Wishing your wife a speedy recovery - to you both energy for renewal/endurance.
Mac/MsT - Yes it is difficult losing parents, I lost my father when I was 16, and my mother a few years ago, both very sudden and unexpected.
taco
thanks for this !
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/911-whistleblower-richard-andrew-grove-transcript
Bubba.. He is still walking around because he muddies the waters. I recently watched a vid of the WTC and didn't see a single large truck hauling bootie. I will track down "Holes in Heaven" but so many wasted minutes reading "A Life Story" would have been better served referencing what it is "he" thinks he nose.
ericswan said...
Bubba.. He is still walking around because he muddies the waters. I recently watched a vid of the WTC and didn't see a single large truck hauling bootie. I will track down "Holes in Heaven" but so many wasted minutes reading "A Life Story" would have been better served referencing what it is "he" thinks he nose.
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Why ?
One of the things that always flabbergasts me about the Conspiracy Theory community - which is what I read into Eric's comment :
If Intell would go to such lengths to either conspire or conceal such a hienous act - why is it so hard to accept that they would plant shills and disinfo to entice the CT community to shoot too soon, or too high ... it makes sense to control the community. Try to get it to chase its tail and self-marginalize.
Dissipate the investigative energies of people who can't accept the official 9-11 story. In Karl Rove "plain-speak", they want a garden hose type water pressure ... not a pressure washer ... so they puncture the line here & there and widen the nozzle ... know whaud uh mean ?
Would Intell send a shill that DIDN'T have a piece of the puzzle ? No.
The question becomes : what stuff is real and what stuff is planted ?
I don't have the time to sift through it - but I wish I did. Same goes for Crop Circles.
I have never believed for a moment that those 19 rug-pilots had the brains to pull off simultaneous hi-jackings the way it has been described.
Think Tanks were preaching it ... Wolfowitz spelled it out for the graduating class at West Point ... and there was 80,000 pages of legislation were waiting for just such an event.
The country is "strong" when it's united against terrorism, or Al Qaeda ... weak when it is uncertain & looking for blame - so Intell could be mandated to cover up something it didn't have prior knowledge about.
In many cases, unthinking convention not conscious intention explains the behavior of Intell. Look for the Rules, not the Rulers. The Rules draw Intell onto the side of the story that makes people wave flags & support wars.
The anti-conspiracy "forces of darkness" in support of the Empire have been going on the offensive ...
At first I thought it was because Peter MacKay whispered something to Rex Murphy (I linked to his rant in an above post). After all, they're both Maritimers, so they probably see each other regularly at the welfare line-up or Tim Horton's.
Can we take a poll on whether Peter MacKay bagged Condi Rice ?
After reading the newspaper today (4,000 miles from Rex & Peter) I now realize the anti-conspiracy fluff is a burst of energy in honour of Sept 11. I stopped reading when I got to the complain that 'CT's focus on what doesn't add up, rather than what does'. Yeah, right - so, the official story is beautiful and it works, if you give it a chance ! Like a work of fiction !
Duh ! Of course, because it's cooked, scripted and stage-managed !! Not one balanced story - shut up about Conspiracy Theorists until the official version is bullet-proof ... the tactic they use : dismiss the motive, but don't touch the ballistics.
Crypto/CC: Excellent points. The JFK/RFK Kennedy/Martin Luther King assassinations are another perfect example of this at work. The investigative waters are seriously muddied and by knuckleheads like George Noory who ramp up a coming revelation about the JFK assassination on C2C and then when the big disclosure comes, it's nothing no one hasn't heard for forty years which tends in my mind to add to making the whole thing a "conspiracy theory" joke in the minds of most people.
To see how well this works or doesn't work:
I have a co-worker who gets visibly angry whenever a "conspiracy theory" gets aired. It's partially because for years, he had an extremely over the top next door neighbour whose obsession with UFOs was such that he totally for lack of a better word, alienated everyone he tried to convince including fellow believers. This co-worker totally buys the line about 9/11. He thinks airplanes alone could have brought down the towers perfectly in their own footprints. Yet, he's otherwise an extremely kind, thoughtful and intelligent person of the "liberal" persuasion. Yet, you can tell he doesn't want his worldview disrupted in the slightest. We agree to disagree.
Another co-worker who is a Republican whose heroes are JFK and Lincoln completely believes that Oswald acted alone and shares the belief that a bunch of doofuses with box cutters and no real flight skills brought down the towers and hit the Pentagon. This person makes me the saddest of all because he is also otherwise too intelligent to believe the party line.Yet he does without question. He's an old school stand up kind of guy who believes what he reads in the newspapers and the talking heads on TV. We also agree to disagree.
There are lot of folks I work with of the above type.
Yet, another co-worker of mine is completely aligned with the conspiracy theorists. She lived in Dallas in 1963 and she totally does not buy the official story on the Kennedy assassination or what happened at 9/11. Just as she does not believe a single bullet could have made turns and hit both Kennedy and Connally, she doesn't believe a fragile airliner could have taken out the towers and especially doesn't believe the Pentagon b.s. We're totally on the same page.
The last example doesn't work in my department, but I see him fairly often. He is a walking encyclopedia of conspiracy theory. I've mentioned FSHOD to him. He totally gets it, he's completely dropped out of getting his news and information from mainstream media and seeks out multiple sources online and then does his best to weigh everything he reads together and draw his own conclusions. In other words, he doesn't let "Them" whomever "They" are tell him what to think.
Sadly, from what I see, that puts him in the minority.
unipax said...
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Why
I've been fairly consistent about this. 911 is a meme. Not my meme. Money or gold is not my meme. I made a proposal months ago requesting some help from Bubba in particular concerning a new approach to meeting one's basic needs of food warmth and shelter and even suggested that we Canadians use the Pre-emption Homestead Entry Act of 1883-1889 which basically offers "free" land to all and sundry. No capitalism involved. Just the land, the sun the rain and freedom to produce your own food, warmth and shelter which would have included trade or barter of goods for services.
If Darfur can't sustain it's people then it's people should not be there but since it apparently has done so in the past and the population is as it is, than the means are there. Handouts of basic needs is not a leg up. It is a boot on your throat.
Uni.. I am reminded of the link you posted many months ago...
but in the context of what we now know found here...http://www.soilsecrets.com/
to what was once known and posted by you, found here...
http://www.laputanlogic.com/articles/2005/05/18-1410-1615.html
SSC,
Re:
Conspiracy theorists, and whether they buy in or not.
Most people are like the stand up guy who reads the papers, goes to work everyday and just lives his life. I have no problem with this person. Here's why. If you were to turn his world upside down and he most likely wouldn't be able to keep doing what he's doing. His whole reason to keep doing it would vanish in that instant.
Most of the people who question and search for answers are in a different mind-set. For them it appears, all this is something they are aware of, but it makes little difference in the day to day for them. The motivation to survive comes from a different place. For example, I couldn't care less what Dumbya and the boys do as far as what I am doing everyday. In the bigger picture sense I do care, but only because it is revolting to see them get away with it. I will be aware of what is going on and protect myself and my privacy as well as possible. But I also know that in the short term there is nothing much we can do about it. It will take many people becoming aware to change it over the long term. Already most people I run into know a lot of what the media tells them is BS. As that becomes more and more mainstream thinking it will change. Look how W is ranting now in his speeches. They are getting desperate.
Mac,
I don't really have a problem with the stand up guy either. I think it just drives me nuts that Dumbya and his minions have successfully pulled a number on people like him who are essentially honest and good people. Fortunately, my stand up guy co-worker knows how to respect opinions even if he doesn't agree with them. He doesn't trash the messenger, he'll debate you with the information he has. In topics outside of conspiracy theories, if you can present your case well enough, you can change his mind. The guy who gets upset with conspiracy theories is the one I think fits your world upside down description better and he has a wholesale tendency to dismiss and heap scorn on things that don't fit his mainstream view. Of the two, I think the angry anti CT co-worker has less of a chance of surviving a massive paradigm change than my old school stand up guy co-worker.
SSC,
I agree with that. The angry guy will just freak out if everything really starts coming unglued. I think though that Dumbya and his boys are getting increasingly desperate. It's not helping that the intell guys are blowing the whistle this time on Iran. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
I can't find the quote, but in one of his latest speeches Dumbya said he would love to tell the American people there were no terrorists coming, and don't worry about it. But they are coming so he needs to be able to eavesdrop and ignore the Geneva Conventions. Nobody's buying it, and he knows it....Wonder what he'll try next. What does he have up his sleeve to make the statement that the terrorist ARE coming?
Probably when Dumbya personally nukes something himself, so he can declare martial law and chuck the Constitution right out the window.
"What does he have up his sleeve to make the statement that the terrorist ARE coming?"
I think it was the bombing of an oil refining plant in and around October..in NJ was it? Or so says a link that never panned out provided by Ericswan.
The President's insistance on crying wolf and his hubris will bring him down the next time. According to a recent poll some 36% don't buy the 9/11 story as the full truth...so at least 33% are gonna cry BULLSHIT the min an "attack" occurs.
What IS the problem with Iran anyways ? They have the right to make reactors for electricity - so why are they threatening to make a bomb ? Because their regional neighbours (Pakistan, Iraq (USA) and Israel (USA) have nukes. Period.
Desire to make a bomb is a desire for balance of power - NOT automatic intent to drop a bomb (see : Soviet Union, China, France et al).
As President Carter said on Larry King last night - the US needs to
(a) talk face-to-face and alleviate Iranian fears that the USA has intent to drop nukes on Tehran.
(b) reign in the war-mongering apartheid-loving Israel - the big brother needs to realize that the little brother is taking advantage of the promise of protection. (is there a way to do that without Israel getting it's lights punched out ? In military terms, that means deaths ... it's not gonna be easy.
I am glad that people have caught on - there has been a dangerous chasm between Int'l Affairs and domestic politics for far far too long.
Iran is not as bad as the Neo-Cons pretend. When their gambit paid off in 2000 (thanks to Florida and the Supreme Court) no doubt, they hoped to exploit a public perception about Iran - but it was just a perception.
And finally - JD Roberts on CNN ... when I was 15, I worked briefly at McDonalds and JD Roberts was doing "Crew News". A few years later, he was doing MuchMusic (Canada's MTV) ... and for the life of me, I just can't take him seriously - not in fatigues on the battlefield, nor behind the desk.
Why don't they put someone with some brains behind the desk ? Maybe the Red States don't take kindly to big city book-lernin' ... but kids are dying in Iraq for no benefit to the USA.
What has to happen is an economics lesson. Supply-side economics doesn't work anymore - it never did. Supply is a point on a demand line ... nothing more. Supply-side is not synonymous with "right wing" or "republican" - although that perception serves Wall St just fine. Supply-side means ignoring demand, labour and it's a policy of "screw the poor".
Supply used to have a vested interest in education because they demanded workers from the pool of graduates. Supply is not demanding US workers anymore - they're simply retailers with sweat-shops in the 3rd world.
oops -
b4 I rush off to do other things, I should clarify
President Carter said (a) ...
but (b) was my comment :-)
I think that only a percentage of the 33% are going to be shouting bullshit. Of the 33% half claimed
to feel strongly that the government played some role in 911. The other half of the 33% only felt somewhat
sure that the government was involved. So I think there will be a lot of people who 'cry BULLSHIT'
but I don't know how many are going to throw the penalty flag, I think many are going to go quiet and make
themselves small, they'll only nod in agreement with the ones that get angry. I'll be on the angry side,
if a terrorist attack comes and the story is jacked, hopefully I'll be able to 'sniff' it out as a crock o
crap right away. Looking back at 911 and my watching the coverage, I was NOT too intuitive then, just
shocked, sad, sickened. My 'radar' wasn't really up. That being said, immediately the very first day
a couple of things bothered me, one of them was the coverage of the Pentagon. It was covered strangely
and I kept going to different media. I just remember seeing it, and later the collapsed roof and wondering
what was going on there. It just did not add up in my head the images of the fires and that little hole
and a passenger airliner. A vaporised airliner. Also the immediate Osama biographies and the names of
some of the other terrorists. Something seemed off about that. I did not think for a moment that I was
watching a 'snowjob' or suspect an inside job. I was shocked mostly. I have only actually looked at
911 seriously over the last year and a half. Prior to that I was just not very informed, when I would
hear someone mention 911 as being an inside job, I wasn't exactly dismissive, I just didn't believe
strongly one way or another. Now I do.
CRYPTO/CC wrote-
After reading the newspaper today (4,000 miles from Rex & Peter) I now realize the anti-conspiracy fluff is a burst of energy in honour of Sept 11. I stopped reading when I got to the complain that 'CT's focus on what doesn't add up, rather than what does'. Yeah, right - so, the official story is beautiful and it works, if you give it a chance ! Like a work of fiction !
Duh ! Of course, because it's cooked, scripted and stage-managed !! Not one balanced story - shut up about Conspiracy Theorists until the official version is bullet-proof ... the tactic they use : dismiss the motive, but don't touch the ballistics.
I also have noted the flurry of anti-conspiracy fluff to the 911 stories. I read Newsweek and U.S. News and WORLD report which both had dismissive pieces. Their method of taking the 33% seriously is to name drop the loose change vid and Steven Jones, both of the articles are pathetic in their treatment of the issue. Both were pretty short and skimpy with both in the end being dismissive of it as being 'conspiracy' -unsolvable and always going to be around. The actual focus on the undeniable discrepencies is non-existent, a reader would have to go to the non-mainstream
sources and research it themselves. There is a strong sickning stench from those mainstream bits on 'conspiracy'
with 911 that's for certain.
The question is are there enough people doubting the official story to slow or halt another 'event' ? I sure
hope so. I think the best of the 911 vids are the ones where you go away with all the vid clips of various
people saying 'bombs going off' from journalists to firemen to pedestrians to those in the building. Clips
that show the caved in ceiling and massive lobby floor damage help too. The official story just does NOT hold
up.
Are they delayed in launching another false terrorist event by knowing that this time they have to do it right?
Maybe they are just sweating the details this time, no sloppy removal of video footage in front of sheraton hotel
employees, etc.
The 21st century version of the Boston Tea Party is coming ... the thing is, you stop wooden ships by throwing cargo into the bay. How do you stop a train ? How do you stop a super-tanker ? The pressure will have to build alot more than 1775 in order for enough people to decide to do something.
If GM closed ship in the USA and moved to Mexico (as some say it already has) that means their firm no longer share a relationship with the Common ... and that means we should roll back all the tax breaks & corporate welfare that the People have given them - especially when they're using the money to set up shop in another country & deliberately generating excess supply to dump onto the US market. Gee, it's a good thing they've convinced enough people that globalization is natural and a good thing for Americans. Otherwise, there might not be any globalization.
So what SHOULD happen ? Import Tariffs against any product that doesn't have Export Tariffs. If Me-Hee-Co doesn't tax GM to build infrastructure (ie : sewers & clean tap water) then the US needs to calculate what they're giving Mexico for hand-outs and tax it back from those who exploit these market imperfections. There is no hidden hand going to build infrastructure. If the US doesn't start throwing its weight around within NAFTA to prevent this exploitation (and stop the bleeding) then the US will be headed for corporate-driven loooooong recession that will not end until wages are the same on both sides of the US-Mexico border.
That's one way to get the undesirables and "fungus among us" to go back to Mexico ... but talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water !!
Globalization is being pushed by the same people who
a) laid in wait with 80,000 pages of legislation
b) gave us the "official version" of 9/11
c) benefitted the most from events (Dubya's spending spree & Iraqi Oil)
d) own media that preaches mainstream fictions (Iraq equals Al-Qaeda)
Why don't the Iraqis settle down and become prosperous like the Japanese & Germans ?
Because ... International Trade is the Dark Side they aren't showing you
Capitalism is the new religion on this new Crusade
Any country that tries to use land as a people's asset - is a Communist and must die !
Trying to rationalize Colonial property lines will get the CIA & Wall St preaching lies.
Every country on Earth is just another banana republic to Wall Street capitalism.
Would this bunch of control freaks get married to Mexico without the same political control ?
THAT is why the Mexico elections smell like Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 ...
The truth is : computer voting fraud (as an instrument of control) accelerated NAFTA.
We will probably hear alot more colourful words used to describe conspiracy theorists. CT's will be Conspiracy Nuts and worse. So, it's best not to question the Official version of events - and don't seek the truth, or expect the official version to hold water, because THAT would be an insult to those who died and their grieving relatives.
Grieving relatives don't always have the energy to dig for the truth
and it's safe to say that the deceased would want the truth to be known.
This is why the fundies are so crucial to the Great Con & why the superstitious dates persist.
That public is conditioned to blind faith & masturbatory stories about Holy Land & Chosen People.
Take a look - days after 9-11, the speeches were being made at cathedrals and churches.
Internets is a funny word because Dubya's an idiot ... but what kind of idiot is he ?
Publics is the term of Bernays ... Internets may be institutional newspeak for the web
The dubya-dubya-dubya
We are clearly surfing a different Internet than mainstream media
Fact is ...
Mainstream won't give a word, a sentence, a segment or air time to doubters
corporate policy would prevent it
it would conflict with their vision as a content provider.
it would alienate advertisers (screw the viewers it's a profit based business)
Fair & Balanced should read Pride & Paranoia ...
Screw peer pressure !
Learn Economics and beat them at their own game
aaand
If blind faith accusers reveal themselves,
whell ... they'll be referred to TruthNet Radio, right Bubba ?
What was even 'funnier', V, was all the reports of 'good news' last week (of course characterized as 'bad news for Dems!' on talk radio!!). How timely!
Will be interesting to see at what rate the gas prices climb post-Nov.7.
I hate keyloogers. Boh comes clean and actually responds to a question....not....
What happened to Compton?
Small black holes are in thousands in our solar system - how did that happen?
According to brane theory (as proposed by physicists Lisa Randall of Harvard University and Raman Sundrum of Johns Hopkins University) a mathematical description of how gravity shapes the universe that differs from the description offered by the General Theory of Relativity is available.
According to some scientists the Hyperspace has five spatial dimension with no time dimension.
The braneworld theory predicts that relatively small "black holes" created in the early universe have survived to the present. The black holes, with mass similar to a tiny asteroid, would be part of the "dark matter" in the universe.
These small black holes are in thousands in our solar system. In Pluto’s orbit one can observe the effects of our terrestrial science of a time black hole.
The braneworld black hole produces an interference pattern in a passing burst of gamma rays as they travel to Earth.
The resulting bright and dark "fringes" in the interference pattern provides a means of inferring characteristics of braneworld black holes and, in turn, of space and time.
There are several methods of gamma-ray fringe pattern detection and measurement. The computer models are already showing its existence. The fourth spatial dimension will be further confirmed using the Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope, which is scheduled to be launched on a spacecraft in August 2007 by NASA in collaboration with U.S. Department of Energy, and France, Germany, Japan, Italy and Sweden.
A Question for the Pope:
Was it Muhammad who was flying those Bombers over Beirut?
by Michael A. Hoffman II
"Benedict quoted a medieval Catholic source on the violence of Islam's Muhammad just a couple of weeks after the armies of Judaism bombed Lebanon into the stone age for thirty-three days (a significant number in the Kabbalah).
The greatest orgy of violence by the military of any religion since the fruit of Bush's "Third Awakening Christianity" pummeled Iraq and Afghanistan's cities and villages with bombs and bullets, was perpetrated in Lebanon in July and August, with religious injunctions in favor of the mass murder issued by Orthodox Israeli rabbis.
But Pope Benedict's stern admonition last week was directed not at them, but only at the "violence of Muhammad." Excuse me, your ass-holiness, but was it Muhammad who was flying those bombers over Beirut? "
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/page5/page5.html
From Freedom to Fascism video:
http://www.truthstream.org/?p=212
OSOTP said...
>A Question for the Pope:
Was it Muhammad who was flying those Bombers over Beirut? <
Well put !!!
May he who is without sin cast the first stone !!!
V,
Drop in the price of gas proves that those mysterious market-forces driving up the price
were led by a bunch of supply-side nut-cases ... money grubbing knuckle-draggers !!
Holo-caust De-nial. Punching holes in survivors testimonies.
Quite informative. Only the quicktime links work though.
http://zamphir.litek.ws/
Sooo..., was it 5 or 6 million? Or what?
I think in a blogabout 2 back I made a prediction that the gas prices would fall to under 2.00 just about November 1. I predict that barring an "attack" they will fall to well under 2.00...say back to the days on 1.60. The oil co can afford to fire sale for a few months. Then we will have horrible blizzards in December just in time to raise it right back up to 3.00.
I may be wrong, but this pattern seems to be in play now that they can't blame the hurricanes this year...so FAR. They will find a reason. and if the Dems take over in November expect a retaliation of some kind by big oil...say in the 4.00 range. ( big oil is the biggest cont to the GOP )
Hi all
CC,
Re Globalization,
An article I read the other day, actually one of those sidebar blurbs...Quoted the Dalai Lama as saying that the younger next generation should embrace globalization, because we are all one and there are no real borders in the world. Guess they bought him off to. Sad to see a man of spiritual principle being made a shill for TPTB...
(((crew)))
Globalisation:
I once saw a pic of an IMF protestor that read:
"FREE trade,
for WHOM?"
In the words of CCR, "Don't look now, it ain't you or me."
The Dalai Lama is supposed to be a Yogi archetype - the political element to his claim on Tibet undermines that - especially if it's funded by the CIA. It's the people that have gathered around him - the air-headed stars.
Most have seen Stephen Seagal whisper about peace and love and joy and happiness on the Dalai Lama's coat-tails ... and for a contrast, here's a list of Stephen Seagal's list of movies :
# Shadow Man (2006) (V) .... Jack Foster
# Mercenary for Justice (2006) (V) .... John Seeger
# Black Dawn (2005) (V) .... Jonathan Cold
# Today You Die (2005) .... Harlan Banks
# Submerged (2005) (V) .... Chris Cody
# Into the Sun (2005) .... Travis Hunter
# Out of Reach (2004) (V) .... William Lansing
# Clementine (2004) .... Jack Miller
# Belly of the Beast (2003) .... Jake Hopper
# Out for a Kill (2003) .... Prof. Robert Burns
# The Foreigner (2003) .... Jonathan Cold
# Half Past Dead (2002) .... Sasha Petrosevitch
# Ticker (2001) .... Frank Glass
# Exit Wounds (2001) .... Orin Boyd
# The Patriot (1998/I) .... Dr. Wesley McClaren
# Fire Down Below (1997) .... Jack Taggart
# The Glimmer Man (1996) .... Lt. Jack Cole
# Executive Decision (1996) .... Lt. Colonel Austin Travis
# Under Siege 2: Dark Territory (1995) .... Casey Ryback
# On Deadly Ground (1994) .... Forrest Taft
# Under Siege (1992) .... Casey Ryback
# Out for Justice (1991) .... Detective Gino Felino Tactical Narcotics Team NYPD
# Marked for Death (1990) .... John Hatcher
# Hard to Kill (1990) .... Mason Storm
# Above the Law (1988) .... Nico Toscani
KrazyB4,
Quik, grab da bong...
Good to hear from ya.
Welcome back ! x 33.3
:)
Where's Jaz ?
"Quoted the Dalai Lama as saying that the younger next generation should embrace globalization, because we are all one and there are no real borders in the world. Guess they bought him off to. Sad to see a man of spiritual principle being made a shill for TPTB...
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Hey !..... Watch it Mac !
That's my buddy you're dissin there.....
Just kiddin..... :)
My sense of it:
When the DL says "Gloablization", he is envisioning "Oneness".
I figure that he's walkin a fine line between the CIA world and his world.
Likely (duh) he has a ( big $) relationship with the CIA because he has a network of people back where the Chi-Coms took over his turf, and cuz he'd like to have his turf, and people, (and the Potala) back.
Probably the CIA told him he'd get it back if he cooperated.
Here's me, name dropping:
I felt lucky when I met the guy back in the early 80's.
At the time, I had no clue of those CIA politics etc, but I was annoyed by the ruling priest class issue worldwide, notably in Tibet.
(I regret that I never raised that with the DL when I had lotsa chances)
Some 60's types found a tiny old abandoned Japnee Buddhist temple complex, left over from the 1800's Hawaiian sugar plantation days in a remote Big Island valley.
It got fixed up pretty, as a Tibetan Buddhist Center.
On his transpac meanderings, the DL would flop at that sweet place.
I got to know him a little bit.
I'd show up for meals covered with paint or mud, and dine with him and his crew of monks.
One day he pointed at the roast turkey on the table, and asked why such a special meal.
I told him because turkey was on sale that week. He roared laughing. I was surprised that he was not a vegetarian. What did I know ? :) They're not all vegies.
I had a few chats with him, around the grounds. Sure he was a nice guy, interested in nuts and bolts stuff, and interested in what was going on in America. He seemed sad too.
Anyway, my sense of the DL now is that he knows the game, and he knows who and what the players are. I doubt he would be duped and compromised by TPTB.
If I wuz him, I'd talk to people that say they can help me free my defeated people.
Having said that, I remain open & willing to be flabbergasted or disappointed by the DL and any other like him that would sell out. (Like I said, I dont think he has sold out.)
:)
I guess it's the title of "Your Holiness" that bugs me. The CIA connection is probably two parts. First is the legitimacy of China's control over Tibet. That could take generations to work out and more of an annoyance diplomatically. The second part is the most intriguing - what the Tibetan monks knew about the cities of the Taklamakan Desert ... what the Nazi explorers were so interested in ... and things the DL doesn't talk about.
Uni might know : didn't the DL once confirm the existence of a (rumour about a) tunnel between Tibet and Central America ?
When the CIA gives money, it was no doubt accepted as a last resort - probably done to avoid being beholden to Hollywood stars who like rubbing shoulders with guys named, "Your Holiness" - it looks good in the InBox, on the Rolodex(TM) and their Christmas Card list.
The Patriot (1998/I) .... Dr. Wesley McClaren
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Steven Seagull made The Patriot ?
Must be different than Mel Gibson's 'The Patriot', which I enjoyed, as did I 'The Last of the Mohicans.'
Even when it looks like "sell out", it might be something else.
Charlize Theron looked like she sold out to her SS lover, but she was gathering info for the French resistance. The resistance hated her for consorting with the Nazi, but she could not tell them the truth, even as they killed her for treason.
I think I got that at least half right. Maybe someone will remember the actual details and the film's name.
No, I dont have DL juice on trans continental tunnels.
But I like the concept.
Of course, the tunnel walls would have to be shiny glazed, since they were made in an hour or less, with ET's amazing lazerz tech, 10,000 years before the DL's first life.
Cultural Captivity said...
One of the things that always flabbergasts me about the Conspiracy Theory community - which is what I read into Eric's comment :
If Intell would go to such lengths to either conspire or conceal such a hienous act - why is it so hard to accept that they would plant shills and disinfo to entice the CT community to shoot too soon, or too high ... it makes sense to control the community. Try to get it to chase its tail and self-marginalize.
Dissipate the investigative energies of people who can't accept the official 9-11 story. In Karl Rove "plain-speak", they want a garden hose type water pressure ... not a pressure washer ... so they puncture the line here & there and widen the nozzle ... know whaud uh mean ?
Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:24:17 AM
Exactly! This whole Plame-gate thing certainly takes on some dimensions of this. Dan Rather certainly got snookered. What ELSE?
The 'Bush Lied' rant. Bush never lied. There is no way in hell to prove it, because he didn't. Now, he and the top members of his Administration, we know, certainly used psy-op techniques to makes us think 'he' said a certain thing...but he never did, it was just the impression we were all given. So yes, shills and dyzinformatzya.
And there's soooo much more.
KB4K,
Feeling ya there.
I may have some things wrong here but your words reminded me of the 4 yugas in the Vedic concept of Time.
Each yuga cycle, consisting of the 4 yugas and lasting 4,320,000 years, involves a progression from a golden age of peace and spiritual progress to a final age of violence and spiritual degradation.
"Are we there yet?"
Divide and conquer Iraq has always been the backdrop but George Noory's guest last night suggested that World War W looks like a tough fight for the U.S. now that they have isolated themselves from the rest of the planet. Also a planned fallout from rendition gambol and prison planet mentality. Reap what you sow?
BREAKING NEWS:11:13 am THAILAND: Tanks are rolling in Bangkok streets amid rumors of a coup attempt, CNN confirms.
les bummere', Cory. Hello, BTW!
Willie caught for possession of plant-life.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/18/willie.busted.ap/index.html
LAFAYETTE, Louisiana (AP) -- Willie Nelson and four others were issued misdemeanor citations for possession of narcotic mushrooms and marijuana after a traffic stop Monday morning on a Louisiana highway, state police said.
The citations were issued after a commercial vehicle inspection of the country music star's tour bus, state police said in a news release.
"When the door was opened and the trooper began to speak to the driver, he smelled the strong odor of marijuana," the news release said.
Hi All,
Haven't finished reading thru the blog today but have a comment on the pope. Later if I have some time I'd like to clarify my remark about the DL, because i admire him and his philosophy....
I was raised Catholic and I have no real axe to grind with this pope in particular, but there seems to be some misconceptions about a few things. I heard on the radio that the reason he didn't appologize sooner is because he's supposed to be infalible. That's only true when he is communicating the doctrine of the church. The rest of the time he's just a man, and can make mistakes.
In my view this was a big one. He did't address the bloodshed the Church carried out in the middle ages nor did he clarify his remarks. At a time when the whole planet is in turmoil his timing was pretty poor to say the least. He owed an immediate apology. Period. Which brings me to my next point....
I've been a seeker for the past 25 years. In that time I've studied the bible on a daily basis, gone to monasteries and spoken with monks and in general tried to find out what the truth is, and what the purpose of this life is. I haven't found all that many answers but have learned a few things. The one thing I learned in my reading and observing the monks is that the one thing God tries foster in mankind is humility. From all that I've read Jesus was a humble man. The bible states that Moses was the humblest man on earth, and so on with others he chose to carry out his plans. I have always wondered why the Catholic Church, which is supposed be representing Jesus, has operated with such glitz and arrogance. Maybe it's to show thier power. But that seems to only alienate most people. Maybe to get noticed, but again it seems to work against them. If one has true spiritual power and a true message from God, people will find that person. And if it's truly from God, I'm sure he'll see to it that it is known.
The pope comes across as not being humble enough to say " I was wrong, and I apologize". After all he's just a man. It's that simple.
When I went to the Trappist monastery I met this monk who had to be about 90. He was very short and slight, but he had the most powerful presence I'd ever felt in anyone. He used to walk from where they lived down the road to the entrance of the complex which was about 2 miles. This day I was honored that he asked me to accompany him. I thought he was going to tell me something profound. It took us a long time to walk down and back. In that time he pointed out a few things along the road, and said about 10 words the whole time. The rest of the walk was silence. His humility, and the peace that surrounded him was what he passed on to me. It was his example that he communicated. There was no need of words...
Compare this to the example our leaders, and the church leaders are presenting to the world. Is it any wonder we are mocked, and held in contempt?
mac said:
I heard on the radio that the reason he didn't appologize sooner is because he's supposed to be infalible. That's only true when he is communicating the doctrine of the church. The rest of the time he's just a man, and can make mistakes.
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You're right. His infallibility goes only as far as making doctrine is concerned. Not beyond that. No more Joan of Arks, Gallileos and Corpernicus'.
I didnt vote Ratzinger for Pope. Not that I could, but I would not have, either way. If ever there was a sheperd who lost touch with his sheep, it has to be Ratz.
I forsee more problems ahead for the Catholic Church, especially in relations with Islam. Bad news.
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In a 21st Century Crusade / Jihad, the only winners will be the Arms Dealers. But nobody seems to notice it.
OSOTP,V,
Ratzinger is no pope John Paul. He seems too intellectual for the shepherd job. I don't think he meant to fire everybody up. He appears to be so used to working behind the scenes that he probably had no idea anyone would be paying such close attention to every word out of his mouth. He certainly doesn't have the charisma of former popes. Hopefully he can take off the acedemic hat and put on a different one. Maybe something more conducive to leading a fractured church that is in turmoil and looking for leadership. I don't mean leadership as it has been in the past, but something more spiritual.
If this keeps up you may see jihad, even attempted assasination by radicals
Mac, you're right. Ratzinger is an academic- bureaucrat. Not a grassroots guy.
I like the story that says Islam was created by the Vatican.
On the subject of rubber-crutch evidence, I thought it was worth re-posting a comment from my Blog.
Biological_Unit said...
> Mention must be made of the consequences of a phenomenon called "artifact induction". A British parapsychologist by the name of Kenneth J. Batcheldor has successfully demonstrated that genuine paranormal phenomena can begin to be experienced or manifest through various methods by first ‘cheating’, or subversively ‘proving’ to a subject that he or she has had a paranormal experience, when in fact they had not. But later actual paranormal phenomenon did occur once the experience had been ‘jump-started’ by the initial false experience. It is easy to see how the human psyche and reality consensus can be manipulated or ‘jump-started’ for many agendas. In considering our challenges we must realize the multi-dimensional aspects we face, in spite of the simplicity expressed through the mass media…... <
The Vatican has mystery schools that have parallel versions within Islam. Islam "created" by the Vatican ? Someone's been sniffing their magic markers again. European hegemony didn't begin until 1700 or so - prior to that, as far as Sons of Abraham go, we were sort of the little brother. Kuyuk Khan saw the Muslim & Christian delegates at the same time and the two were sent home from the Mongol Royal Court together.
Toby Keith was on the Colbert Report laughing about how he smoked weed in Willie's van ...
I'll bet that was probable cause to search the van ...
That is the question T.
WTF do we do ?
Well, America will wake up and they'll go to prison if the 911 truth comes out.
But I think they'll pull another stunt, declare Martial law, and cancel election before they'd let that happen. They probably already have it as a contingency plan. I would, if the alternative is firing squad or life in prison ? They're bad.
Someone's been sniffing their magic markers again.
OK. I'll set it up, you shoot it down.
I dont even know how plausible it is, but its a fun story. (Says it was in Third century)
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm
excerpt;
"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:
'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
Then there's all the stuff about Jesuits and Black Pope. Connected, I think to "vatican created Islam"
http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/search/web/black%252Bpope%252B%25252B%252Bjesuits/1/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1
Loose lips sinks ships ...
Did Toby Keith get Willie Nelson busted ?
Interview here
My first reaction is that Christianity was created by the rug-pilots.
The Genie of the Lantern :-)
There is a link that isn't discussed by either faith
so, it should be interesting - I'll go read the link !
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Schisms are created to be dissolved in the event of war (with a larger external enemy). The schism between Orthodox and Roman disappeared when the Mongols came onto the scene.
The inscription outside the Dome of the Rock, dedicated to reconciliation, hints that perhaps the Vatican (thru the Trinity and other spins) eliminated that possibility of theological reconciliation.
Dome of the Rock
The exact inscription :
1. S In the name of God, the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no god but God. He is One. He has
2. no associate. Unto Him belongeth sovereignity and unto Him belongeth praise. He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He has
3. Power over all things. Muhammad is the servant of God and His Messenger.
4. SE Lo! God and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet.
5. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. The blessing of God be on him and peace be
6. on him, and may God have mercy. O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion
7. E nor utter aught concerning God save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of
8. Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit
9. from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is)
10. NE better for you! - God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is
11. in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is
12. sufficient as Defender. The Messiah will never scorn to be a
13. N servant unto God, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth
14. His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him.
15. Oh God, bless Your Messenger and Your servant Jesus
16. NW son of Mary. Peace be on him the day he was born, and the day he dies,
17. and the day he shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary, (this is) a statement of
18. the truth concerning which they doubt. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him!
19. W When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
20. Lo! God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path. God (Himself) is witness that there is no God
21. save Him. And the angels and the men of learning (too are witness). Maintaining His creation in justice, there is no God save Him,
22. SW the Almighty, the Wise. Lo! religion with God (is) Islam. Those who (formerly) received the Book
23. differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. Whoso
24. disbelieveth the revelations of God (will find that) lo! God is swift at reckoning !
Suitcase nukes. I am so f'ing tired of that old hoary chestnut. Isn't that also one of Steve Quayle's pet subjects? I find Quayle interesting on some topics but I find the fearmongering about suitcase nukes to be very wearying.
How much longer before Noory is outed as a neocon in paranormal clothing?
Thailand's coup: don't worry. They have coups like changing underwear.
This link will explain what happened to bring things to a head. The PM's wife became an instant Billionaire, and the Singapore Govt (ooops) investment arm's involvement in it. There were riots then, when her 'sudden windfall' hit the news.
He thought he could mix business and politics, and control the media like the Singapore Govt does. Wrong move!
http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=37922
Yesterday, his wife fled to ....Singapore. Just like Imelda Marcos did :-X Heck the whole world knows it, except the Singapore sheeple. Internal media control at its finest :P
I haven't been to TEM in a while. Checking it out only makes me think I have stumbled on some huge adverstising site. So sad. What REALLY pisses me off about the 2012 pay to know more is that there is NO substance to even TRY to inrugue or dupe me into attendeing this confrence. ( I have visions of a small, dingy, low lit, pathetic pre 1985 confrence room with metal folding chairs and a faux wood vaneer table set up with an overhead projector set up for effect.)
The whole thing reeks of fraud to me.
It been a commonlyheld notion ,and IMHO a correct one that anyone who charges for "inside" information, whether it be psychics, astrologers or RCH himself, sullies the entire movement. I need to brush my teeth this is leaving such a bad taste in my mouth.
What did I tell you:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/20/thailand.coup.ap/index.html
Thailand's king gives blessing to coup
POSTED: 2013 GMT (0413 HKT), September 20, 2006
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- The army commander who seized Thailand's government Wednesday in a quick, bloodless coup pledged to hold elections by October 2007, and he received a ringing endorsement from the country's revered king.
"In order to create peace in the country, the king appoints Gen. Sonthi Boonyaratglin as head of the council of administrative reform," according to the announcement on state-run television.
"All people should remain peaceful and civil servants should listen to orders from Gen. Sonthi Boonyaratglin from now on."
Prime Minister Thaksin, a telecommunications tycoon before entering politics, handily won three general elections after coming to power in 2001 and garnered great support among the rural poor for his populist policies.
But he alienated the urban middle class, intellectuals and pro-democracy activists. They began mass street demonstrations late last year, charging him with abuse of power, corruption and emasculation of the country's democratic institutions, including media that were once among Asia's freest.
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Life goes back to normal in the Land of a Thousand Smiles. :)
I have seen and in fact taken pics of orbs that seem to be associated with chemtrailers. This past weekend I got closeups of what I think is an "orb". I know they appear to be glitches of sunlight but the one pic was taken at 2pm and the second at 10 am and are on separate days. What intrigues me is that the "shape" of the object and it's colour are uniquely similar if I can use that term. Posted at my blog http://cygnid.blogspot.com/ and curiously before my posting here which follows by way of paraphrase. If this is an "orb"??? it is less than 25 feet away and in my backyard. I take thousands of sky pix a year but nothing like these ever comes up.
>Small black holes are in thousands in our solar system - how did that happen?
According to brane theory (as proposed by physicists Lisa Randall of Harvard University and Raman Sundrum of Johns Hopkins University) a mathematical description of how gravity shapes the universe that differs from the description offered by the General Theory of Relativity is available.
According to some scientists the Hyperspace has five spatial dimension with no time dimension.
Monday, September 18, 2006 10:10:35 AM
Hoagy is implying that Atlantis might return to the space station, and stay there, never to return to earth ?
Look at the 'precedence' of those banners on TEM.
Atlantis is not as important as......Kokopelli and the End of Time! Get your tickets NOW. Limited seats!
Hey Crewe
Things here are not so good. Mom is having surgery next week at Mayo. Its a very high risk and there is a very good chance she will not survive the surgery. I am going up for it but must return the day after b/c I have no one to look after the kids. Much BS b/c of Grendel which has left me very depressed and pessimistic about everything.
Like you (((((T))))), i feel like I am fixin to fall apart and I'm a little scared i won't come out of it. I have no support system on hand and my sister has all but refused to even help ME b/c of her issues with mom.
I'm sure y'all could care less about the drama...but right now its consumed me and Grendel hasn't helped. I had to fight tooth and nail just to get him to agree to allow me to fly up for the surgery. I have been granted 3 days. 2 for travel each way and one for the surgery.
19th nervous breakdown doesn't even begin to cover it....
My own health is begining to suffer badly as well. I'm not eating or sleeping either T. I can't seem to stop crying. yes, T, i understand the hopelessness sweetie. I'm in that 9th ring of hell too, just the cell beside you.
I wish all of you well. I'll be in and out. My zest for even FSHOD is gone...and if I can't get riled up you know somethings wrong.
Take care guys.
Scarlet and T both,
I know there really isn't much I can say that will make any of what y'all are going through any easier or better and I really wish that I could. Just know that you both have my best wishes and whatever strength and energy I can possibly offer and trust that everything will ultimately work out for the best.
Care and love to you both,
DarkWood
Scarlet and T - Ditto Darkwood. Take heart - you will make it through these difficulties, but please be careful, take care of yourself/find support if you can after the storm, that is when you'll really need it.
Thanks ((((((Taco and Darkwood)))))
I think I am struggling mostly with the thought of losing both parents so close to one another. If she survives the surgery then she has excellent chances. 95% survivability after 5 years...they are giving such low odds about the surgery though. 1/3. without it death in 2 years and lots more complications.
It would be much easier to cope if I had any kind of emotional support but Grendel has seen to it that I am to suffer and feel guilty for going. (in his mind I am now some low life for leaving the children:in his world this is unacceptable.I have failed him and them somehow...or that how he makes me feel about it.To him I am a horrible mother for leaving them but in my mind a miserable child for not going to be with my mom. damned if i do and damned if i don't) 2 weeks of bitter arguments just to get a whole 3 days...
I am suffering from some very anti good karma for him right now. any hexes on him are welcome....
Anyhow, its really taken the life out of me and I have really not felt like leaving my bed for the last several days.
i will keep y'all posted if i can stop crying long enough ;)
Thanks for your hugs and pos thoughts. I know in my heart they make a difference.
((((scar,T))))
Hearing rumblings of 180#'s of rad waste smuggled in from Mexico. Anyone else hear of this? Shrub is said to have known, that is why he has dissed the P of iran at un. Also heard that even muslims in America are being told to leave. Heard all this from another active alt news person who was really into watching glen beck on headline news last night. Said that the topic of the show was the rad waste smuggled in from mexico and its implications, what say ye all? I am surprised I have not heard of any of this, bs maybe or legit?
Wayne
((((((((Scarletm))))))))) I hate to be the one to break it to you but 1 day is going to make you feel ,...yikes....Prayers are in the mail..
"Join Richard C. Hoagland and his distinguished group of researchers under the October Full Moon — for a four-day "2012 experience"
What? They gonna seat you in a canyon and pump a flood of water thru there? Creat a comet and an earthquake? Just WTF? is a "2012 experience"?
All for $950?!?
Then there's the Oct 13 weekend conf at UCI (2 ads below the 2012 ad). Ole Hoag gonna be one tuckered out seminar-giver.
And does it look like the only update to TEM is that there are new ads and the old ads look...slicker?
here's a tooth brush sunking...bursh away.
and some listerine...
I ain't so sure about them thar 'orbs' Eric.
I hate saying this to another guy, but... Saaaaay,that's a lot of lumber ya got there!
Hey scarlet...Sorry to hear about Mom.
I got a voodoo doll from the Voodoo House in New Orleans. Writing "G" on the head....now where's those damn pins...
Scarlet,
check ur mail.
eric,
I wonder if those LBHs (little black holes) can be used to explain all those Bermnuda Triangle-like disappearances...Amerlia Erhart, those WWII Navy flyers, that half-gallon of Mocha Crunch that disappeard from my freezer??? ;)
Hi all..
This place is a looney bin, I'm gone
John
John:
Hasta la vista!
ScarletM and MsT:
((((((((((((((((scarletm/msT)))))))))))))))))
I will be keeping you both in my thoughts. I hope the best for the both of you and the absolute worst for the Grendel. An absolute pox on Grendel, but not for Scarlet or anyone she loves.
(((((scarlet))))
You're in my prayers. Think we have all been tru similar stuff or about to. Please try to take care of yourself and ignore the guilt from G. He needs to figure out this ain't about him right now and grow up.
1L
(((((( Scarl )))))))
((((scarletm, T and all going through hard times ))))
This Blog is dedicated to Grendel: "FAILURE TO EVOLVE."
OSOTP:
ROTFLMAO
Good One!!!!!!!!!!!! I love it. thanks...
And thanks to you all.
Best crewe in cyberspace!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(((((((((((crewe)))))))))))
Is it me or is there a pattern to all the coups (sp?) taking place? Every one of these, Venezuala, Bolivia, now Thailand were for the most part governments that the US and EU favored, now they are so called "leftist".
I got a kick out of the EU and US 'disapproving" and DEMANDING a return to democracy in Thailand. Then the king steps in and says it's ok the way it is. Good for them. Dumbya and the rest need to mind thier own business and start cleaning up the mess they have in front of them. What a bunch of boneheads.
Ok, maybe its the sleep depravation and I'll probably go to jail for saying this outloud...and (gasp) even in print, but what the hell did Chavez say that either the Madsen Report, GregPalast or WE haven't???
Turn about is fair play. Its OK for our Presidents both past And present to call countries, WHOLE COUNTRIES with innocent civillians EVIL EMPIRES or AXIES, but GOD fobid some one call our President The Devil????
The hippocracy is killing me here.
Frankly, I was cheering Chavez. Like i siad, i'll probably rot in Gitmo for saying that..but at least ya'll will know why I'm there.
Anyone have the ACLU on speed dial??? ;)
When one reads the full unedited text of Hugo Chavez's speech, it is an entirely different picture than the one painted by every mainstream media outlet including Neo-con Public Radio which had some of the most yuk'em-up condescending, smirking coverage I've ever heard on NPR. It was the most brazenly unbalanced coverage I've ever listened to on All Things Considered. Bad enough to make an installment of C2C with Ed Lames seem like journalism.
Hell, Chavez should be an honourary FSHOD member. He completely gets it, and he had the guts to say what the majority of people in the room were already thinking. Now if you could get him on Truth Net Radio.....
Scarlatem and Ms T...
My thoughts and prayers are with you even in my own trying times.
When praying for something for oneself it doesn't hurt and even helps by asking for help to be given to others.
All the best.
Bob...
sunking said..that half-gallon of Mocha Crunch that disappeard from my freezer??? ;) That would depend on whether the box was opened from the bottom or not. hehe.
I'm not sure about the pix either. There is too much content in the "orb" to dismiss it out of hand. Maybe John Candy could help me out or would that be Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray?
Thank You Robert, and all my best to you and your continued recovery!
You are an improtant voice here friend, we need to keep you well and bellowing as loudly as possible!
BTW:
T, maybe you can fill in more here, but while we are all distracted by Chavez another super Typhoon (cat 5) is wiping out small islands all over the Aisan pacific. Ioke was pretty amazing stuff and had all kind of HEX eye walls. the latest is Yagi. Only real news on it is from HCWX
cat 5 yagi
and this from Bloomberg news service from yeaterday:
Typhoon Yagi Gains Strength as It Heads Toward Japan (Update1)
By Aaron Sheldrick
Sept. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Typhoon Yagi increased in strength to a Category 4 storm as it churned across the western Pacific on a path that U.S. Navy forecasters say may take it near Tokyo later this week.
Typhoon Yagi, with maximum sustained winds of 212 kilometers an hour (132 miles an hour), was located 1,580 kilometers east- southeast of Iwo Jima at 9 a.m. today, according to the U.S. Navy Joint Typhoon Warning Center Web site.
Yagi, the 16th-named storm of the Pacific cyclone season, is heading west at 18.4 kilometers an hour and is forecast to continue strengthening, the center said. The storm's winds are gusting to as high as 258 kilometers per hour. Wave heights in the vicinity of the center of Yagi are 42 feet (12.8 meters).
Typhoons and tropical storms regularly buffet Japan and nine people were killed two days ago when Typhoon Shanshan smashed into the southwestern island of Kyushu. Shanshan, the fourth tropical storm to hit Japan this year, was downgraded last night to a tropical depression before moving across Hokkaido this morning.
Yagi, which is Japanese for goat, is forecast to track west before turning north. It's forecast to be closest to Tokyo during the morning of Sept. 23.
Shanshan Weakens
Tropical Depression Shanshan was moving away from the north eastern coast of Hokkaido after crossing the Sea of Japan yesterday, the Japan Meteorological Agency said in the latest advisory on its Web site. Shanshan is moving east-northeast across the Sea of Okhost at 55 kilometers an hour.
Shanshan made landfall in Hokkaido about 6 a.m. today, Kyodo News said. The Japanese news agency didn't report any injuries or damage.
Nine people died and 328 were injured in 11 prefectures in Kyushu, Honshu and Shikoku after Shanshan made landfall on Sept. 18 near Sasebo city, Kyodo reported yesterday.
Tropical Storm Wukong reached land on Aug. 18 this year near Miyazaki city on Kyushu, bringing heavy rains and thunderstorms and causing flight cancellations and a halt to oil shipments. Tropical Storm Maria skirted Tokyo in early August and Typhoon Saomai blew across Okinawa on the way to China a couple of days later.
At least 20 people died in September last year when Typhoon Nabi hit southwestern Japan. A record 10 typhoons and tropical storms hit Japan in 2004, killing more than 60 people and causing billions of dollars of damage.
Hey Scarl & Ms T !
Good to see ya both raisin hell !
Git 'em !
:)
Hi, Scarletm, sending my wellness thoughts to you and T.
Much going on for me right now, and it is accelerating me off into mayhem at
times.
On a personal note 2006 has been the most challenging year of my
life, very difficult, but it has thrust me into a position of being
able to evolve (unlike grendel) and gain perspective. It strengthens my belief
that the goal in life is not 'funseeking' anyways.
Just stumbled into this from this website, http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/index.shtml
NEW IMAGE OF THE FACE
What happened to the face? Where are the secondary facial characteristics? Where is
an image of the face that is not at such an extreme angle? How many hours did it
take to alter the image? Either this image has been changed significantly like the
catbox image or RCH, Van flandern and others were way off. Those pesky light and
shadows, we were all wrong on the face this image proves it right? Case closed finally,
good work NASA/ESA.
Chemtrails were back today, but only in some strips running over the mountains. There were no
contrails anywhere else in the sky. None. The route that I saw the trails is not a commercial
route either. The trails spread and became wisp clouds that covered the majority of the sky
as the day progressed. Not even 2 second contrails from any of the huge numbers of commercial
traffic, only the lines running from the northwest to the southeast and following along the
mountain range, nearly directly above them. Really sucked to see the spraying again after going
so long with out any trailing.
There has been actual mainstream coverage about the exact route that I saw today in newspapers
and the local NBC affiliate. The newscast story about chems is now linked at Scott Stevens website.
According to a newspaper report, people from all over the U.S. and other countries have contacted
the newspaper expressing how they have been trying to get similiar local news coverage
with out success. http://www.alpenhornnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=451
and http://www.alpenhornnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=450,
Must be those nephilims once again directing evil.
Navajo Message To The Moon
When NASA was preparing for the Apollo Project, it took the astronauts
to a Navajo reservation in Arizona for training.
One day, a Navajo elder and his son came across the space crew walking
among the rocks. The elder, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question.His
son translated for the NASA people: "What are these guys in the big suits
doing?" One of the astronauts said that they were practicing for a trip
to the moon. When his son relayed this comment the Navajo elder got all
excited and asked if it would be possible to give to the astronauts a
message to deliver to the moon.
Recognizing a promotional opportunity when he saw one, a NASA official
accompanying the astronauts said,"Why certainly!" and told an underling
to get a tape recorder.
The Navajo elder's comments into the microphone were brief. The NASA
official asked the son if he would translate what his father had said.
The son listened to the recording and laughed uproariously. But he
refused to translate.
So the NASA people took the tape to a nearby Navajo village and played
it for other members of the tribe. They too laughed long and loudly, but > also refused to translate the elder's message to the moon
An official government translator was summoned. After he finally stopped
laughing, the translator relayed the message:
"WATCH OUT FOR THESE ASSHOLES. THEY HAVE COME TO STEAL YOUR LAND."
Uni, that navajo spoke truth. Sometimes I wish I did not belong to the
species known as 'the evil white man'
hi res so called face on mars
Thanks Bryan
Any day now, we'll be enjoying the best pics ever of Cydonia, from Never A Straight Answer.
(probably they already got 'em, while aerobraking) I aint holdin my breath.
I always wondered what you all were going on about. The name Cydonia just didn't ring any bells...til now.. What's the fuss?
Maybe the ESA could release a stereo pic from the same angle as we are used to seeing? Maybe when pigs will learn to fly Ford Tri-Motor airliners?
Ms T
I saw that in the paper about a week ago. Took my appetite away. How sick are these people? Anything for a buck.
I still want to see a high resolution image of the face and all of Cydonia shot at the original angles so I could compare. But I don't trust anyone to not tamper with the things so how do I know what I'm looking at is real?
ms. t, thanks for that article ...I guess.
Very disturbing. About 70% of grocerystore shelves is GMO modified?
Some of the gmo modifications qualify as frankenfoods. The frankenfoods
that have been approved often have been shown to cause problems in trials.
They get approved anyway. The FDA is not on the side of reason as we
all know. I don't really worry that much about it for myself but for
kids and for the long term sustainability of soils and health its pretty crappy.
Much of the stuff on shelves is an x as far as the long term effects.
I'm for some modifications, but when u start inserting pesticides,
human and animal dna etc. you are asking for trouble. The FDA should be
on everyones shit list. There are things that we can do, buy seeds and
store them before monsanto and other companies can control the franken
seed supply completely and start looking for (or forming) co-opt groups
that do local non-modified farming. Buy only organic meats and do it
now, the price is higher yes, but the prices will drop some the
more that switch over. Don't buy packaged crap from grocery stores.
I still eat that stuff but I make it the exception now.
Mass farming is ruinous period. I just spoke w/ 2 people who say
the produce in the U.S. tastes different and bland compared to the country that
they grew up in (russia, and ukraine). Organics here are better but still
not as good as what they were used to, that says quite a bit about how
much the corporations are ruining things. Their solutions suck.
Studies show nutrient content of veggies and fruits that are mass produced are waning.
The soils here are depleted due to the nasty practices.
It is time to go back to what works. Suck it up and pay a little more for
your meats and veggies, it is one tiny step but it will help.
Maybe we can get ericswan to grow more good foods and send it out to all the shoddies.
He does owe us for some of those long articles he's posted here. lol.
starshipconstellation and v, I think that a comparison of the images we've
seen so far of the face will show that they've been playing around with it
(even without the flattened catbox image) I have a hard time seeing this
esa image and having it be the same as the other face images. I know that
the angle is radically different but them thar 'hills' don't seem to match up
so well but I agree w/ v that this doesn't really weaken the artificial
likely hood of the face. I do think that they have stretched some of the
hills vertically in this image to help hide the nares, lips and other features.
boh, you still w/ us? Hope all is well.
Atlantis had one piece of debris that they thought might be junk
from the cargo bay so they delayed their return, took a look at the
shuttle for possible damage or missing pieces, then when the number
of objects reached 5 they ok'd the return? There are more than a few
clips of it at youtube. It is co-orbital, space junk supposedly. I've
watched it several times and it seems like it might shift slightly but
due to the camera moving about I can't quite tell. It looks very similiar
to what has been filmed from other shuttle missions. There is also
a clip with a NASA guy talking about the object.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVJRROHvbnw&NR
Seems like a lot of little stuff that likes to fly with the shuttle
at essentially the same pace and direction. Must just be ice though
from the shuttle, huh? Could we get some better quality? Make
the cameras adjust so that its not always focused to infinity?
Oh, I forgot it's not our space program, woops.
Buzz Aldrin talks about an object flying with the apollo 11 mission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY0K240Hquw
Always good to hear from you bryan, and you are especially wry tonight. :)
Remeber bryan, this is the same group of "rocket scientist" that forgot to calibrate the Hubble from feet to meters. ( think it was Hubble) Their family photos must be a complete mess. Sister has no head, Tommy is a blob, and Grand ma-...that Is grand ma isn't it???
Hey Bryan..at the risk of being viewed here as paranoid...heeeee.. I have to commend you on your courage to leak that little bit of doubt out to the public. I'm curious as to why the female astronaut passed out twice on the tarmac. I'm wondering maybe she had a paradym shift that makes the ground look like it's not real. On another note, the objects that I posted to my web cannot be downloaded. Error 503 apparently. I've never encountered a jpg that couldn't be "copied" and wonder what there problem is. It took several attempts and my day off to get them posted in the first place. The internet has been slimed.
One last note. I took several pics of chemtrailers throughout the day. Why are they back at it if global warming is the issue. It's been raining and overcast here for a straight week. No way to know if they were working over top of the clouds. Rather than leave you all wondering what my paranoia is all about it is this; I still think chemtrails are combined with haaraazoids to ward off alien visitation.
Eric, and all the other wx watchers,
Raining here today after a really nice week. I was watching the country wide radar yesterday and there was a pretty well-defined low in the middle of the country, it's now just a big area of rain approaching the coast. After not seeing much CT activity for the past few weeks, actually not much over the summer, they were back at it yesterday right out ahead of the storm. That's been the pattern here since I've been watching.
I've never seen the orbs in them and I've taken pics. The only thing I've noticed is they are high altitude and always a large military style aircraft.
I'd tend towards weather control,for what reason I don't know, but it's always occuring out in front of an approaching system.
This is kinda cool:
And since its a slow day I'll post it all here.
Surprises from the Edge of the Solar System
09.21.2006
Sept. 21, 2006: Almost every day, the great antennas of NASA's Deep Space Network turn to a blank patch of sky in the constellation Ophiuchus. Pointing at nothing, or so it seems, they invariably pick up a signal, faint but full of intelligence. The source is beyond Neptune, beyond Pluto, on the verge of the stars themselves.
It's Voyager 1. The spacecraft left Earth in 1977 on a mission to visit Jupiter and Saturn. Almost 30 years later, with the gas giants long ago seen and done, Voyager 1 is still going and encountering some strange things.
"We've entered a totally new region of space," says Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist and the former director of JPL. "And the spacecraft is beaming back surprising new information."
Before we reveal the surprises, let us discuss exactly where Voyager 1 is:
Our entire solar system—planets and all—sits inside a gargantuan bubble of gas about four times wider than the orbit of Neptune. The sun is responsible. It blows the bubble by means of the solar wind. Astronomers call the bubble itself "the heliosphere" and its outer membrane "the heliosheath." [diagram]
Voyager 1 is about 10 billion miles from Earth, inside the heliosheath.
"You can simulate the heliosheath in your kitchen sink," says Stone. "Turn on the faucet so that a thin stream of water pours into the sink. Look down into the basin. Where the stream hits bottom, that's the sun. From there, water flows outward in a thin, perfectly radial sheet. That's the solar wind. As the water (or solar wind) expands, it gets thinner and thinner, and it can't push as hard. Abruptly, a sluggish, turbulent ring forms. That ring is the heliosheath."
"The heliosheath is important to humans," continues Stone. "It helps protect us from galactic cosmic rays." Galactic cosmic rays are subatomic particles accelerated to nearly light speed by supernovas and black holes. Astronauts out in space are exposed to the particles—and that's not a good thing. Cosmic rays can penetrate flesh and damage DNA. Fortunately, the heliosheath deflects many cosmic rays before they ever reach the inner solar system. "Magnetic turbulence in the heliosheath scatters the particles harmlessly away."
Note: We have many shields against cosmic rays from the thin walls of spaceships to massive planetary atmospheres. But the heliosheath is our first line of defense, and that makes it special.
Because of its role as Solar System Protector, "we need to learn as much as we can about the heliosheath," says Stone. "Voyager 1 is giving us our first look inside."
And now for the surprises:
Magnetic Potholes: Every now and then, Voyager 1 sails through a "magnetic pothole" where the magnetic field of the heliosheath almost vanishes, dropping from a typical value of 0.1 nanoTesla (nT) to 0.01 nT or less. There are also "magnetic speed bumps" where the field strength jumps to twice normal, from 0.1 nT to 0.2 nT. These speed bumps and potholes are an unexpected form of turbulence. What role do they play in scattering cosmic rays? "This is under investigation," says Stone.
Sluggish solar wind: The solar wind in the heliosheath is slower than anyone expected. "The solar wind is supposed to slow down out there, just as the water in your sink slowed down to make the 'sluggish ring,'" says Stone, "but not this slow." Before Voyager 1 arrived, computer models predicted a wind speed of 200,000 to 300,000 mph. Voyager 1 measured only about 34,000 mph. "This means our computer models need to be refined."
Anomalous Cosmic Rays: "This one takes a little explaining," he says. "While the heliosheath protects us from deep-space cosmic rays, at the same time it is busy producing some cosmic rays of its own. A shock wave at the inner boundary of the heliosheath imparts energy to subatomic particles which zip, cosmic-ray-like, into the inner solar system. "We call them 'anomalous cosmic rays.' They're not as dangerous as galactic cosmic rays because they are not so energetic."
Researchers expected Voyager 1 to encounter the greatest number of anomalous cosmic rays at the inner boundary of the heliosheath "because that's where we thought anomalous cosmic rays were produced." Surprise: Voyager crossed the boundary in December 2004 and there was no spike in cosmic rays. Only now, 300+ million miles later, is the intensity beginning to grow.
"This is really puzzling," says Stone. "Where are these anomalous cosmic rays coming from?"
Voyager 1 may find the source--and who knows what else?--as it continues its journey. The heliosheath is 3 to 4 billion miles in thickness, and Voyager 1 will be inside it for another 10 years or so. That's a lot of new territory to explore and plenty of time for more surprises.
story with illustrations
It is nice to know that when they get it right they do a hell of a job. It amazes me that Voyager is still out there doing what it does.
Hey guys:
i just had a black triangle shaped object fly overhead...silent as can be with red, whit and blue lights going areond its perimiter.
COMPLETELY SILENT and moving at a pretty good clip.
woah
Wanna know more about The Ranch?
Found this video.
american antigravity
T,
Did I hear something about SNOW in...ummm...West Virginia? or something like that?
FYI,
for the time being I've reverted FSHOD back to an 'open' blog. This means back to Word Verification when posting comments. IF we get overrun by assholes again, it'll be back to Members only. I hope this works this time.
Thanks for the Article, Scarlet. I find the heliosheat and related subjects to be fascinating. We out to be sending out a mission with our modern capabilities to find out more.
HijackthatUFO.net
Well, that didn't take long.
Experiment failed.
LOL
ah! it is good to be back. I see no progress has been made -- unsurprisingly.
Take me to your pulpit where I will lead thy sheep.
I emailed and asked for membership but no reply. Careful! Going against your Zionist masters?
Let the censorship begin!
What happened to SwArd?
Don you know, he is ASSteroid hunting.
Be wery wery quiet...
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